deceptive ads for dogs. - Page 1

Ok, I must vent.

How many times do we see ads for great drive, will do for top sport, sar, police or pet home? Now we know not all dogs will encompass every trait. Yes, they are all bred well and yada yada, 

I just received an email from a sar group

great dog showing lots of fire and drive, will do for sch, police, personal protection, sar and pet home

let me qualify what I take as a pet home. (no experience with high drive dogs)just want a pet for family to laof around with. No job!No pet home will put up with an over the top drivey dog. I have seen too many people buy dogs they thought they could handle. I 've seen too many dogs sold to pet homes that were in appropriate for pets.

I must say, my little gal who at 21 months certified as a cadaver dog drives me up a wall. I love her but can not imagine her in a pet home situation. She would have been sent to the shelter in no time. In fact I got her by default so to speak! She was the runt of the litter and sold to a pet home as she showed no interest in work. As she developed she became a monster and the pet home was advised that"she would tug the diapers right off the todler". They were offered a different pup or a complete refund. They chose the latter and were not happy at all with the breeder. I got the pup at 3 months. I am so greatful to the breeder for 1)thinking of the dog first and 2) allowing me to have a fantastic working dog.

Why must so many people list litter ads listing "will be great for"

k9sar

Putting the words "will be great for", is not a bad thing if the people are honest.  It is not the words, but people that are deceptive.  Some people are in this for a business.  It is called marketing.  Have you ever looked in a real estate magazine?  Some houses say "cute".  This is a pretty way to say small.

you are right in the assumption that  a dog cannot be everyhting all in one.  Maybe these people don't have a clue as to what type of drive is needed for certain work.  I have seen countless people with very poorly driven dogs, that think they are incredible.  "This dog can do anything!"

I agree that many ads are amusing. I think the thing that bugs me the most is that everyone has a completely different definition for drives, and what kind of dog will cut it. I tend to think they are full of it, as a really good breeder doesn't get all that in one litter, maybe half........: )

As far as pet homes go, I have seen what most of my clients will put up with. I do not see most of them having any problem with a high drive dog at all. The kind of rediculous things that they do not even blink at with their dogs........WOW! ! !  Just the fact that the dog is high drive but not this giant nerve bag that screams and runs up a wall when a cricket farts too close to the house. They would be so happy.

k9sar,

Makes we wonder how many "SchH prospects" end up in pet homes.  There are an amazing number of litters being born, producing more puppies than the total combined membership of SchH USA, WDA, and DVG.  Even if you toss in the SAR and K9's I don't you could possibly place them all in "working homes". 

My dog Chaco would also be a pet home catastrope.  He is has so much energy and needs lots of exercise, far more than the typical pet home can offer.

I'm curious as to how breeders place their puppies.  How many breeders line up X number of deposits before breeding?  How many  "working homes" can there be in this country and abroad? 

Yvette

P.S.  My personal opinion is that some of the breeders who advertise the "one size fits all" litter as you described are not intentionally being misleading.  Some may truly believe their pups could do anything, and some may just be trying to capture a wide audience of potential buyers.  If I bred a litter of pups like my GSD, you betcha I would be tapping into every sport and working dog association in the country to try to find working homes.  Better to have a half-a@@ fit in a working home than a complete failure with a pet home.

I have two of the high drive dogs, backed with pedigrees full of, not only SCH3 but world champions you will recognize, 3 of them.

I don't train them for SCH. They are my companion and protection dogs. One saved my life a few years ago, from a would be robber.

They play with my grandchildren and are smart enough to know just what level of play is just rough enough for each age child (infant to teen).

You must take a child inside to scold them, however, because they don't want anyone toget too rough with a child, ever in tone of voice. Though they are very high drive, their intelligence gives them discretion. It also makes them a very loyal companion.

Thank you for all the replies. When I breed , I do not take deposites until the pups are on the ground. I have a sch. background and now work SAR. I keep a log on the pups and as they develop I decide which ones show potential for working homes. I also have a puppy agility course to test them on. When a potential buyer comes they must fill out an extensive questioneer. (sp) They only get to pick from the ones I have determined would fit their needs and experience.

I am familiar with marketing and you have opened my eyes and mind. I thank you all again for the insite.

"nerve bag that screams and runs up a wall when a cricket farts too close to the house."

I'm so glad I hadn't just taken a drink of my Pepsi!!

k9sar, would you please send me what you use for your puppy agility?  I'm collecting ideas and need some sooner then later.

I believe our puppies will have high potentional for working homes.  I also know our ultra high drive dogs we raised are fine in the house and at family functions with small nieces and nephews.  A friend of ours in SAR training around here says at least one of our older dogs could easily transfer over to SAR.  As we watch this litter develop I truely do believe we will have some capable of more then sport though I really don't know what yet but afterall what are the chances that all eight will excel at sport?.  In that case how do we advertise without sounding like the discussion here?  

Quote: In that case how do we advertise without sounding like the discussion here?  

I have always found that if you have a dog good enough to breed you will know, because people are going to want pups and ask for them. This takes a lot of guess work out of breeding, because people are not stupid. When a good breeding is anounced, the pups are sold a couple of weeks after the tie has occured.

Not being snotty, just know that a lot of people end up with pups left over, and it is mostly because people are to "PC" to tell them otherwise.