Question re: koer/titles/registration - Page 1

I may have the access to use for breeding some very outstanding working police K9 from top lines, outstanding hips, and of course, strong temperment. However, these dogs are not titled/breed surveyed. There is also an exceptional female I know who has a VA sister that may be bred to a K9, and I have considered buying a female if/when the breeding ever takes place.

This is what I have been led to believe, someone please tell me if I am mistaken:

It has been my understanding that a dog can obtain a breed survey (if they met their own requirements, of course) if all 4 grandparents are titled. So theoretically, I would have to make a multi-generational investment to incorporate this dogs and eventually be able to breed survey the line. Is this true? Is it possible for a dog to be breed surveyed with a great-grandparent down the line that is not titled?

http://www.nwk9.com/breedsurvey.htm

The breed survey depends on the individual dog, not the parents. For a dog to be elligible for the KKL it must have DNA, BH, AD, SchH1 or equivalent, one show rating of at least Good, HDa-stamp. In Germany every dog in the background automatically has all of that with the KKL being optional. But if a dog was bred outside of Germany, and for example then goes there for titling and KKL, it just needs to fulfil its own requirements even if it comes from a lineage of all untitled dog that never had a show rating, hips checked, been breed surveyed etc. In case you did not catch onto it, KKL is an option, not a requirement for breeding, even in Germany under SV rules.

What you are referring to is the VA title. A dog cannot VA without its parents being KKL'd and its grandparents having at least SchH1 or equivalent. Don't think you have to worry about that one here though, as even under the best of circumstance the possibility of that happening are more by chance and hard work than by design.

A working plice K9 is titled BTW, as it cannot be a working police dog without current certfication.

Daniella, one thing you forgot to mention is that the SV does require in addition to what you outlined that both PARENTS of the dog must have DNA test on file with the SV in order to qualify with outside foreign registry (AKC for example) to be Koered in Germany/SV.... As I have 4 dogs from my breeding currently in Germany - so I have experienced it first hand.

D.H: "In case you did not catch onto it, KKL is an option, not a requirement for breeding, even in Germany under SV rules."

Oh how right you are there as well. You get a cookie !! :-)

David

Most k9 's for depts have had hips checked by vets but the depts dont ofa  too much money or they buy a dog already from germany with papers   both ways   but they usually dont put titles unless they buy a titled male or female    Like Othos Tiekerhood produced Camerons Gator of Gal, co Sher deputy that I bred my bitch with OFA GOOD hips , he was not titled but the did his hip x-rays and his mother was Anika Fuerstenburg, with a father of excel hips at 64 months old    It depends on your  decision to trust the dog u are mating if you feel a k-9 is ok and you know the hips are exrayed and both are good  , its your ball game  but when you go to sell pups   get prepared to have amillion questions as to why are he hips ofa and certified.....on both sides......its costly but it is why we do it  and DNAs ...we can prove its our male and female and we can prove what comes out of our mouths is true......of course we cannot say just because they all ofa good or better , their is not HD , thats a lie, and should never be said  ,     you know the rest of the story.....

Ahhh, David.... I hear you are a much sought after man these days ;o).

Never heard of that but worth an inquiry to the SV next week. Might be a difference if the dogs stay in Germany to have or produce a litter, which would then fall under breeding rules, not KKL rules. Ie - breeding rules say dog born after Jan 04 must be ED a-stamped, KKL rules do not, though a dog with KKL1 is recommended for breeding, but without the ED a-stamp it cannot be bred in Germany (but outside of Germany if that is not a breeding rule). Sufficiently confused yet, lol.

Dawgma (nice name), the link you provided does not provide correct info. A dog has to turn 2 in the year it gets KKL'd. Not be 2 years, there is a difference. Ie - DoB Dec31 means a dog turning 2 this year can get KKL'd this year after the SchH1. DoB Jan1 means a dog turning 2 the very next day but basically next year, has to wait til the new KKL season starts around March when it is over 2 years already. Did not check some of the rest. The USA website has the proper KKL rules posted somewhere in English.

Quote D.H. : "Ahhh, David.... I hear you are a much sought after man these days ;o)."

Yeah well, some things never change eh? :-) Don't worry, I'm still very humble.

Thank you for the much appreciated info. It's weight off my shoulders knowing if I chose to do this, I won't be waiting for years to be able to breed survey the dogs. :)