Need help re: worms - Page 1

I think everyone's probably pretty weary of the drama so please just need some experienced advice.

All three of my dogs have what seem like white hairs in their stool.  I initially thought it WAs hairs because I noticed them first in my plush coat around the time she  blew her coat this spring. Then I asked the vet about it for my new pups shots/init. visit. Vet said prob. good idea to worm them all because the pup more than likely had worms still and highly contagious.

So, I wormed them all and since my son was in crises at the time I didn't think to check the stool for them after. If they were worms and have returned (I assume they would have been killed initially) I wonder if it's the environment.  The person who owned the house before us had a bunch of dogs I'm sure weren't cared for. Tied up outside in 110 degree heat, no shade. I'm guessing they weren't wormed for sure.  Also, LOTS of coyotes here and only put our perm. fence in about a year ago so I'm sure we're dealing with their stool to some degree from the past. Can my dogs pick these up still if it's in the soil?

If so, is there a wormer that is less expensive than the one from the vet? I couldn't BELIEVE what they charged me for those pills.  I've heard the horse wormer Zimectrin Gold kills all worms and is the same ivomec as in heartguard.  I know I've had dogs eat huge gobs of it the horses dribbled out w/o any ill effects.  I this is in the environment would I need to routinely worm them like with horses as an ongoing regimen?

Also, is there any way to treat the environment here for worms? It's almost 3/4 acre they run in, if that makes a difference.

Thanks Dawg

Would need to know what kind of worms/parasites you are talking about. There is no dewormer that gets every parasite---

Theresa

In horses ivermectin kills everything but encysted small strongyles(bloodworms) and tapeworms. Worms are part of having horses they are a host and should be wormed every 6 to 8 weeks.Horses carry roundworms and pinworms along with many other types. If you have dogs around livestock they need to wormed regularly. Liquid pyrantel pamoate (nemex) and liguid fenzebenzedole wormers are available for dogs. Ther was a previous post on this forum talking about liquid livestock wormers that can be used on dogs.

Thanks for the input, guys. Theresa-I think these may be whipworms from pics on the web. (How depressing is it to spend my web time looking at worm pics instead of porn like normal people. sigh.) Yellowrose-like skinny  white hairs. Can't speak as to length but the part I can see sticking out (does it get grosser than this?) is like a 1/2 inch or so. Definately coyotes all over the area including the backyard when we first moved in. Also it's Arizona, so the entire state is considered free range. Lots of loose cattle.  B. Anderson-i've read different things on different sites. Some say always swine wormer, never cattle. Always cattle wormer-never swine. And  both pro and con for horse. do you have any experienec with any of these w/dogs? When it's referred to as "liquid" do you know if it's speaking of the injectable or the sprinkle on the food type? It's all very confusing to me.

If it's something in the soil, is it a neverending cycle of reinfestation? Any kind of end to it? Also, does anyone happen to know the thread B. A is referring to?

Appreciate it,

Dawg

Can you get Ivermectin/Ivomec in your area from a farm supply? This is a large animal drug but can be used in dogs- (not collies or greyhounds)- for some intestinal parasites as well as heartworm prevention. I guess Arizona doesn't really have a big problem with heartworms tho. :)

T-

This should help

Dogs

Ivermectin is the primary ingredient in heartworm preventative Heartgard, a monthly beef-flavored chewable given to dogs to prevent the tissue stage of the microfilarae from developing. The other ingredient in Heartgard, pyrantel, controls hookworm and roundworm infestations in dogs as well. People who own multiple dogs can use ivermectin by itself, purchased in 50 ml bottles from a farm supply store or online, to give heartworm preventative to multiple dogs at a considerable cost savings. The dosage of ivermectin is 1/100 of an ml per pound. This is a tiny amount, and even for a 100-pound dog, it works out to only 1 ml monthly. Therefore, a 50 ml bottle can treat a 100-pound dog for over 4 years, and costs anywhere from $28 to $45 (at recently checked stores and online sites).

Collie-type breeds are apparently sensitive to ivermectin, and veterinarians prescribe other types of heartworm preventative for them. This includes border collies, shelties, and many herding breeds.

Hookworms and roundworms are prevalent in the environment, and pyrantel does control those two types. However, young and adult dogs are also prone to whipworms. Some veterinarians use synanthic, labeled for use in cattle, to worm dogs for all three of these worms, and several types of tapeworm. A single dose will handle hookworms and roundworms, but 3 days are suggested for whipworms and tapeworms. This wormer is also a concentrated formula, and 1 ml is used per 40 pounds. It is therefore also an inexpensive way to worm multiple dogs.

T-