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olsk... The book does talk about using a rubber hose to strike the dog across the brige of the nose for two reasons. Both used on strong willed dogs. One mention was for the dog who refused to out and the other for a dog taking bites without being threatened. Another method used for a dog that took indiscriminate bites was; while walking at heel on leash if the dog tried to bite someone you would lift him off the ground until basically he quit fighting. His reasoning was that being a timid trainer would only make the matter worse, that it was better to stop the bad problem with the first correction vs trying to take baby steps.

Question for anyone, when I post on an old topic as I want to today, does it always mean that it will bring it back to the first day? I do not want to clutter up the first page with old news and responses, so if their is a better way let me know. Thanks. D.R. just went back and read your response. Thanks for looking it up. I had an issue with breaking the dog of not outing. I thought that was unecessary, potential for perminate damage, and better more offective ways of doing this. When it comes to stringing a dog up we are talking about a dog that will be headed for the graveyard if the behavior is not corrected, so I do not see this as abusive. It takes what it takes in some situations.Timid handlers are the worst offenders at making aggressive dogs destined for the pound.

olskool~the whole thread will come along with the new post. Just the way it works. You can't change it. Just post and don't worry. Some people havn't seen the post and may need to read it from the beggining anyway. Or you can start a new thread.

Kohler mentioned that it really shocked/numbed the dog more than it actually hurt his nose. I agee 100% on the timid handler vs aggressive dogs. When the mother of my current 7 year old bitch was about 2 yr old she refused to kennel up. I had to drag her thru her gate into the kennel. I did this over and over for over an hour until she finally gave it up and walked at heel into her pen.. I was exhausted but she never tried this again. PS. She only stayed in her kennel at night. The rest of the time she was with us. She was a very string willed hard girl..

I don't mean to stick MY big nose in this, I have never trained a protection dog in my life. Just wanted to add that I know of one dog that had it's larnyx fractured when hung while wearing a choke and others have suffered some irreversible damage. The dog with the fracture was being used as a demo dog by a local pro trainer; he was sued and ended up paying damages to the owner. This guy has trained a number of dogs for local police foreces and titled some GSD's in Schutzhund. I understand he longer hangs dogs on chokes. I'll shut up now.

Sorry....he no longer hangs dogs on chokes.

Blitzen.. No problem.. We were discussing The Kohler Guard Dog training book and his training methods. These methods were used on mature hard aggressive dogs who were being trained for serious work and with agiatation. These harder methods were suggested on dogs who would not out and took unprovocked bites. His opinion was that a timid or mild correction on this type of dog created one who was very dangerous to everyone around it.

Blitzen, Good input. I have no idea if this is or how much this is done today. The dog with it's larnyx fractured is unfortunatly one of the hard lessons we learn.Sometimes things have to go south to learn better. The stringing up was used for extreme corrections that had to be made write now. Dog on a walk lunges to bite a child, string it up till he thinks he is going to doggy heaven. It was only used when a cardinal sin was broken that would lead to the dog being put down and when other methods were not available. Kohler was a no non sense trainer that did not have to answer to any one in his day. We have so many more training aids available today,ie. E-collers etc.that we have more choices today. I have strung dogs up but didn't like it, but it was a last resort and it was what was available. Fortunatly I had no traumatic experiences.

PS...I don't do this to my dogs but if she did lunge at a child to take a bite I would do so in a heartbeat.

So would I, DR.