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by triodegirl on 15 January 2007 - 20:01
I am looking at a solid black female and wondering if my logic makes sense. Neither parent of the solid black female is solid black, so they both must carry the recessive black gene. One is bi-color and the other is black sable. If I mated the solid black female to a solid black male would all the pups be solid black even though the female would carry both the dominant sable and bi-color genes? Or would you get a mix of blacks, sables and bi-colors?
Also, if it matters, both parents of the solid black male are also solid black.
Hope nobody minds the questions. I find it all kind of intereting but a bit confusing.
by GSDBrisko on 15 January 2007 - 20:01
If your girl is black, each parent gave their black gene. If she carried the sable and bi-color gene she would be sable because sable is the most dominate.
If you breed two black GSDs. They only have the black genes to give their pups so ALL puppies would be black.
Jessica
by triodegirl on 15 January 2007 - 21:01
So as long as I mate a solid black male to a solid black female, the pups will be solid black? Guess I was making things a lot more difficult than they had to be. Thanks for the help.
After believing for the last year (as I was told by the breeder) that black is a dominant gene and the color of the female doesn't matter, guess I figured I would double check everything from now on.
by Trailrider on 16 January 2007 - 03:01
You have to have one sable parent in order to have any sable pups.
If you breed two true blacks then yes I think you would get all black pups because the parents both carry the recessive (bb) for the black gene. But alot of blacks are not really all black, looking at the legs one can see what I call frosting or brown/tan coloring. In this case I think breeding two blacks could result with some bl/tn pups....
by jdh on 16 January 2007 - 05:01
Check the legs. If she has brown on the backs of her legs she is genetically a bicolor. If she is a true genetic black (recessive) then the rule for bb holds true. Best Wishes, Jonah
by ColeHausGSD on 16 January 2007 - 13:01
Trailrider,
I bred my b/t bitch with a solid black male and had all black pups except for a beautiful sable female. Is this unusual?
Cole
by CrashKerry on 16 January 2007 - 14:01
Can't happen. Either the black/tan dog is really sable (I've seen some sables that could be mistaken for a black/tan) or another male (a sable one) got at the female.
by triodegirl on 16 January 2007 - 15:01
My male actually has a very faint tan marking over each eye that I never noticed until there was a thread on this site last year about whether or not some blacks are really true blacks. Made me wonder back then if he could really be a bi-color.
The black female I am considering is still a pup so I'm also wondering if her coat will change color as she matures.
by ColeHausGSD on 16 January 2007 - 16:01
CrashKerry,
I would love to send you pics. My bitch is listed as black and tan on her papers. The male is undoubtedly black except for a few white hairs on his neck. Maybe I'm mistaken about my pup being sable. Please email me @colehausgsd@yahoo.com. I would appreciate your comments.
Thanks
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