Should Imports compete with Indian breds - Page 1

Does it make any sense to import a VA or V rated GSD and put it in competition with Indian bred GSDs? The standards of the KCI show is nowhwere in comparison to the scale and quality of the Sieger show in which these GSDs are titled. The judging is all together at a different level, no shutzhund, no breed surveys, no hip scores. Here you have a GSD which is V / VA / SG rated at the Sieger show and then comes to India to compete in a pathetic show and then does not win (Fedor?). Winning in India is besides the point, if the dog is certified VA / V / SG by the FCI/WUSV then there is no point in trying to wrest an Indian Sieger title. On the other hand, theIndian Sieger title is not bigger than the WUSV title. The dog can be exhibited at the show as a world class title holder (specimen)and used as a stud to improve the stock. But competeing with the local GSDs is like humiliating the dog. Besides, we like the import GSD to wrest the BIS title in an All breeds show. The standards to which the GSD was bred and titled abroad all comes to a nil by putting them up in the KCI shows. However it makes more sense for an untitled GSD import to compete with Indian bred. This should perk up Indian breeders with some healthy competition. What say buddies?

GSDrcool, you make a very valid point. I also feel it is unnecessary to exhibit a V or VA in Indian allbreed shows. A major pitfall in India is that in a given year there are only 2 or 3 serious competitors for the top awards. However, the counterpoint is that otherwise how will people across the country appreciate and use this dog ? People will realize what they are missing only if they see a V or VA side by side to other dogs.

Surely, the VA/V/SG import must be brought into the ring during the shows. People can then see what a VA/V/SG should look like and then try and breed dogs to meet those standards. Here it works the other way round. Its like cricket, we improved our game to meet international standards. We play by the same rules and yardsticks which the other nations play and thats why we have such great players on our side. KCI should realize that if it can't beat the gang then it should join the gang. Else they will perish. They have to bring changes in their shows to make it more competitive and professional. They lack vision and have nothing on their agenda to improve the way things are. Unless we do not adopt the ways and methods of judging of the WUSV we will never be able to produce top class GSDs. We should be sending our dogs to the Sieger show to compete rather than importing one and showing it here. They make it seem like the shows will continue to be the way it is for the next 10 generations. Any local schutzhund clubs in India?

Any local schutzhund clubs in India? not that I am aware of. It would be a GREAT start though.

Does a local schutzhund club need to be affiliated to the KCI to be recognised??

nope - all kennel clubs are first registered as a charitable society. they are autonomous mostly. KCI affiliation is needed to conduct dog shows with KCI registered dogs. A training club need not be affiliated if it restricts itself to training.

Thanks ..... got caught up with work over the weekend

Do you think KCI or GSDCI for that matter give a Rat's Ass to what people know or how much is their knowledge of the Dog game in India? Comparing cricket with Dog game is like comparing apples and oranges they are not in the same league. Cricket enjoys a lot of corporate sponsorship in India otherwise look at hockey or soccer for that matter. Players in these games got like Rs 1000 - 2000 at one time as allowance per day. Thats what a typical American friend throws as change in pennies my friend. The culture flows from the top always may it be any association /corporate/organization of humans. The problem lies the way these( KCI and GSDCI) organizations are run in India and the PEOPLE running them They are all Old corrupt farts who need to RETIRE NOW and let some new blood with a degree of professionalism come in to the scene