german hip xray - Page 1

I recently uncovered some disturbing info. Is it true...that germany allows dogs to be bred with hip dysplasia!?When checking some pedigrees I kept seeing NOCH ZUGELASSEN (Light hip dysplasia). Or how about MITTLERE HD (Moderate hip dysplasia). I know that alot of breeders do breed dogs with hips that are (lets say) questionable but i thought Germany was a little more strict.

That is desturbing but you must think a responsible breeder should not consider breeding a dog with bad hips. always make sure you look at the pedigree when getting a pup so you can see the results of the hip xrays. But I know some people that have breed the noch zugelassen and a HD 1 and the resut was a litter of pups that were all HD 1 andthe 3rd generation likewise. but still you must be careful. Jess

You keep seeing this rating because it is still acceptable. The a3 rating you are talking of is not considered "questionable". When breeding working dogs, you have to look at the WHOLE dog, not just the hip scores. This has also been very recently discussed. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/37940.html

I know you look at the WHOLE dog but how can you better the hips in the breed by breeding dogs with hip dysplasia

I'm not sure why you are pointing the finger at the Germans? At least they HAVE a scoring requirement unlike the US! AKC could give a shit what the hip scores are, if it's EVER xrayed or weather the dog is bred or not! As long as they have AKC papers..hey! Good to go!

A dog with a3 hips is not dysplastic. It's no different than OFA's Fair rating. While they may not be perfect hips, they are stil acceptable. If you only bred dogs with the a1 rating, you would be leaving out a lot of great dogs that have the a2 and a3 ratings.

I really am not pointing any fingers at anyone. Just a little disillusioned.I know that the AKC does'nt require anything It's all about the breeder and what they require.German dogs still have alot more going for them than the American bred.

What do you all think about Penn Hip method?

I want to point out that that janette is talking about Noch Zugelassen which is equal to mild dysplastic and not as polizie pointed out to be OFA fair.

Noch Zugelassen is not equal to "mild dysplastic" or mildly dysplastic hips. (I'd like to know where "noch zugelassen is stated to be equal to "mildly dysplastic," as I have NEVER seen that anywhere but on this board!) Noch Zugelassen means "still allowed", and I do not know any Germans (currently) who breed dysplastic dogs. OFA is a joke, sadly. There have been studies (I will have to look up the links again) where, repeatedly, the 3 Orthopedic vets who looked at the films, RARELY (less than 50% of the time) agree with their initial diagnosis, when shown the same films at a later date. At least in Germany, the person who is checking all of the films agrees 91% of the time with the initial diagnosis (according to the study, which I will try to find again, and post the link to), which is a much better average! I believe that PennHIP (which is not currently an allowed form of proof of non-dysplasia) is the most accurate, as it views the hips from multiple angles. All of the dogs films are sent in. It requires special training for the vet. There is no choice on whether you send the films or not. This means that the database of hip certifications is more accurate for each breed. AKC does not care if you breed two dogs that can't walk, they're so dysplastic, so long as they both have AKC registration and you pay your litter registration fee. This is because they are not a policing agency, and don't have the time, inclination or the resources to do so (so it's said). The United Schutzhund Clubs of America are a much better carry-on for the SV in the US. They follow the SV rules and regulations for the most part, to my knowledge. Just my 2 cents, and a little bit more.