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Germans also make a TON of money off everyone else in exporting thier pups/dogs. The poor quality that is sometimes shipped and no guarentees, I suppose is actually "our fault". What do you think would happen if everyone demaned more? NEVER bought from Germany without guarentees? Most of the money and problems people encounter are also almost always with the german show lines. I *think* one can get a very high quality working line dog from Germany without many of the problems and for a lot cheaper than you will get a high quality show line dog.

Chey, overall the problems are few. Most of the problems come from a buyers unrealistic expectations or lack of patience or lack of communication (or rather understanding and/or trusting in what is being communicated). A puppy is a puppy and no guarantee in the world will ensure that puppy will grow up to be a top dog in either show or trial arena. Too many people buy a German import with the hope that theirs will be the next VA or SchH Nationals CH. This particular situation proved once again though that many problems do get resolved on its own and often are just due to circumstance. GSDFan posted an update under a different topic that the SV confirmed that papers have not been issued yet, but things are in progress. That post got hardly any attention/replies...

D.H. Here's a great quote from your post. "A puppy is a puppy and no guarantee in the world will ensure that puppy will grow up to be a top dog in either show or trial arena. Too many people buy a German import with the hope that theirs will be the next VA or SchH Nationals CH." Why do you think buyers have the hope that their puppy will grow up and be the next superdog?

Maybe I am naive, but I would assume with the prices(in some cases upwards of $4000 USD) that some people are paying for these puppies(at home and abroad), that they have SOME expectations for the money they are spending.

I posted this under a new topic, but as DH noted it didn't get much attention, so I figured I'd post it here too. Thanks for everyones comments. I just recieved a reply from the SV, It appears consistent with the breeders explaination, so I guess we just need to be patient. Here's the SV's reply "In reference to your inquiry I would like to inform you that the litter registration application for the L-litter "vom XXXXXXXXXX" has been submitted in November, 2005. The pedigrees have still not been issued because of formalities which have to be cleared before. Further information can't be given because of data protection; therefore, please contact the breeder again. I am sorry that I can't provide you with further information."

GSDfan you hit the nail on the headd with " I guesss we just need to be patient", In the USA with everything instant from fastfood to instant loans, we want everything right away. AKC gives you instant papers. Being patient when dealing with breeders from other countries is a key to a good relationship. Papers take time, responses take time, as I said in my earlier post papers can take 6 months to get. I am glad the registration is working itself out. I am curious about the other problem with the puppy that was mentioned, skin condition how did that work out.

SGBH Not to be a smart a**, but anyone who would pay 4k for a puppy is buying a status symbol. I have not seen a puppy worth 4k. Not at 10-12weeks old, no one can gurantee what they will turn out to be. ie. next world champion. Only thing you have is bloodline and a lot of guess work.

EDD: I have not EVER seen a pup worth anything more than 1200-1500 dollars, or so. Even the Germans don't sell progeny from VA parents at those $4000 plus, prices. Americans think if they pay more they are getting better. And if they are getting better, they have higher expectations for the "better" that they are paying for. My comment was in response to the preceeding post by Dog1: "Why do you think buyers have the hope that their puppy will grow up and be the next superdog?" . To those that are naive enough(for lack of a better term) to spend those big bucks(and that was just an example), they have some expectations(probably unrealistic) of what they will get in return for the amount of money they are spending. In many instances, they do not realize the are spending money on a "dream", hope or vision, not the actually puppy, which is certainly not worth the prices they are paying. I was recently contacted by a very nice lady from this forum that wanted an opinion on a dog she was going to purchase. A young year-old female, with no titles or hip stamps, or anything. $6000!!!!!! She had expectations for sure that it would payoff in the end. My only point is this: People do not spend this kind of money for a lap dog. They spend this money, day dreaming of stepping into the ring with the dog, accomplishing "something" and this "something" is sometime unrealistic.

I agree with you 100%, people overpay and expect super dogs. I recently saw a dog for sale here for 4k, no hips, no titles, a little training in SAR and thats it. i have imported and paid less for a titled dog with hips done a1 with decent working bloodlines. A all around real nice dog for less including shipping. When are we going to learn that more expensive is not always better and no one can guarantee a puppy will be the next champion no matter how much you pay.

It's clear that everyone is appalled by prices for an 8 wk to 12 wk old puppy at $4K or even more. However, even if one pays a more reasonable $1500 to $2500 price, one must remember that the purchase price especially for a show prospect, is the least of your expenses when averaged over the dog's 'career.' Think of the vet costs, the hotels, car rentals, top quality food, supplements for some, show entry fees, etc.,etc. One needs to keep this in perspective. Not to condemn breeders for what they seem to be able to get for the puppies, because if people would not pay it, they would not charge that much. I'm not actually saying it's OK, just providing some broader perspective.