linebreeding 2,3 Crok vom Erlenbusch - Page 1

Has anyone done a linebreeding on Crok vom Erlenbusch? if so, what have the results been?

Why don't you tell us the reason for doing this line-breeding? You are concentrating on a certain bloodline up close, you must have a reason for doing it. What do you know about Crok, and his littermates? Ajay Singh www.ajaysingh.com

well seems like you would get a very high drive/fight/defence.....ball crazy type pup...not for pets. Bred for police or working homes only. From what I have been told and from the sons and grandsons of his that I have seen this is what I have gotten and that is without a linebreeding. Heather

I have done a 2,2 breeding on Crok and the puppies were super. Very strong and very clear headed. In fact I have just repeated the breeding. The puppies are just three weeks old. If you want to try one first hand let me know I have a couple left for sale.

Whats the parentage of these puppies that are 2,2 on Crok. how old is the previous litter?

The biggest drawback that I have heard of is that Crok tends to produce handler aggression. But this is not always the case, as I have seen. Just giving you a heads up. Debby

I have heard elsewhere that, perhaps, the issue with Crok may be is if he is in the male tail line and not if elsewhere - but he would be on such a breeding, no? [but my statement is based on what I heard from one person] I have a Crok grandaughter and have ZERO indication of handler aggression. I know plenty of people with Crok close up who have had no problems. I have also heard a lot of handler aggression is impacted by how you manage / train the dog. Some LE have told me that a lot of times it is due to giving strong corrections before bonding has occurred. I will add that my dog took a LONG time to bond, even though I got her as a puppy but now is very bonded with me, moreso than any dog I have ever owned.

In my own opinion anybody that trains a dog without having to bond with the dog deserves to get bitten... yeah it sounds pretty horrible of me to say but training is suppose to be fun for both handler and the dog. I do not agree with E collars nor having to use a prong collar... Some dogs just cant handle an E collar and gets ruin by it. Theirs always a reason why certain dogs act the way they act... is called dog psychology. I do however agree that one big correction will solve the biggest problems... weak ones will contuine the same problem.

I have linebred on Crok 3 times now, twice 3-2, and I have a litter of young pups now 5 weeks old linebred 3-3 on Crok. I have noticed no handler aggression in any of the litters to date. High drives, very very solid nerves, good pigment, high trainability, and very nice sociability. A number of these Crok linebred pups are in pet homes or inexperienced working homes. Yes, these homes definitely have to do some OB training with these pups, but they are social, loving pups, and the training is no more than anyone should do with a high-drive working pup. In fact, I have seen these pups do better than other drivey working pups I have bred in non-working or inexperienced homes, do to their adaptability, eagerness to please and sociabilty. The only lack of success I have had with these pups is with one man who did not take the time to properly bond with his pup (only 15 minutes a day out of his pen, and this given by a kennel hand, not the handler himself) and he found the pup "lacking in ball drives enough to be successful in detection work." I have rehomed this pup and his present owner notices just the opposite. The pup needed very much to bond with him, but once he did so, and received proper attention and love and thus a sense of belonging, the pup will do anything for him....he has tons of drive, a social, stable nature and high loyalty. He will do very well in SchH, and has plenty of drive for anything his new handler could want. What is really interesting to me is that I have noticed a great deal of sociability and tractability, an eagerness to please from these pups. This is not what people often expect from this linebreeding, but I have found the conventional wisdom out there regarding Crok and agression to be largely wrong. The pups I ahve produced are not super "hard" and they are not these headstrong little demons. In fact, they are exceptionally loving and eager to please. Harsh connections should NOT be needed with them, but merely reward (high food drive and tug drive), lots of pets and affection. Regards, Landis at Alyeska