KNPV Video(s) - Page 9

Over here its already midnight....

I asked mij wife - Diana - to answer and to discuss with you guys because she knows best why she used Caro twice.

Most guys in KNPV don't like a GSD because a GSD misses a portion of hardness, because they are more for prey and maybe because they are genetically weaker?
The price of a GSD puppy is also much more (2 or 3 times more) than a x-mali or x-dutchy and police forces over the world prefer the mail more instead of the GSD.

Most KNPV titled dogs indeed are sold to police/army/security/SAR/....

KNPV training is not a sport training its way of life as I read earlier, but so is IPO if you want to compete at the highest level.
(and we know for sure it is because we were in Philly last October to compete in the WUSV)

So if you guys don't mind we are now going to sleep and will be back tomorrow



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@OGBS: i didn't say anything about bloodline exclusivity in knpv gsds. the point was the cultivation of a specific phenotype and it's relative uniformity within knpv. i also stated that this selection bias is not exclusive to knpv gsd breeders but also used by 'ipo' gsd breeders; using jan's dogs and 'line' as an example was not an accident. it seems that you either don't understand the concept or accept the relevance of phenotypic line development. also, the point about dogs blowing through outs was obviously lost on you as it was to illustrate that 'ipo' breeders serve a broader market segment (relative to the knpv gsd buyer segment) which they do by producing dogs that are not quite as 'real' but point high and easily.

I sure hope you continue to post. Your statement
just amplifies on some of the general feelings
regarding mal & gsd's, the lack of hardness, the
exorbitant cost, etc. Thank you and we appreciate
your knowledge and expertise. But long live the
working GSD.

By the way, I did view a couple videos, one word:
Impressive!

hey bebo

I would retract the cost. In USA KNPV Mali pups
are arcing up towards the cost of a well-bred GSD. 

In Czech for example, the cost of a GSD is a lot lesser
than one we get in USA. This applies to the Mali also.
This might be one of the major reasons why consumers
buy in UK or other places. This is nothing against the
pups from elsewhere. They do have excellent bloodlines 
in a very reasonable amount.  But we have shipping nightmares,
lacking rapport with a kennel, deceitful brokers, and so forth.

You have got to do your homework on purchases abroad and
at home. If you have money up the A, hey you can buy whatever
designer dog you want, but most of us are actually living and want
the best on what we can afford.

Hardness - Can someone elucidate on this. Remember it is not about
breed vs breed. OR... .



 

@ddr: felix's done a good job categorizing and mapping working traits, including hardness: http://www.felixho.be/en/sacraalHart/index.html

bebo - Another excellent resource for the forum members.
Looking forward to your continued contribution.

Everyone has a preference.  I tend to gravitate to what the pros have I want to have, be it equipment or dogs.  Look at who supplies the pros.  Im not talking about the small local PD but the Special forces, Seals, Border Patrol etc.  Look at the type of dogs they are buying and from who, the type of dogs they are breeding. 
I know of one well known supplier that almost exclusively buys and breeds from KNPV lines.  They still buy from other blood lines but the bulk come from KNPV because those are the dogs that consistently pass their stringent testing.  They are also all X mal/dutchys, they buy a few GSDs every year but most do not pass their testing.  There is a reason for that. I think that KNPV lines have taken preeminence over all others when it comes to real work, when it comes to consistently producing dogs with the physicality and nerves that make them good for work. 
Also, KNPV folks tend to prefer Mals and Dutchies, faster, healthier, harder, cheaper, and generally better..  Hence why you find less GSDs with the title. 
I think a KNPV dog will be the next dog in my kennel and Im not sure it will be a GSD, which actually makes me sad.

Haz - I have considered a KNPV Mali over a GSD. But I have a
strong affiliation with a GSD. In the future, I may have to go this
route.  In fact, there is a KNPV Mali breeder on here whom I've
considered for this pup.

May I ask who this supplier is?  PM will work just fine too.

What is your solution for a continued KNPV lineage on GSD's?

Let us know on your future KNPV prospect.

Thank you for your input.

Again good post Bebo, you can breed by genotype or phenotype. Most KNPV dogs are bred by phenotype, that is the outward expression of the dog, regardless of where the bloodlines come from. People who breed to studs or acquire pups from litters because of bloodlines is very in these days. More times than not they don't know if the phenotype of the dogs they are breeding or acquiring in litters are the result of training( which will not pass through the sperm) or is it natural strength of dog. How many people acquire a dog based on pedigree and YouTube video, especially for sport work or show. KNPV breeders are breeding more for phenotype and as such will have mixture of other bloodlines as long as they support the ability to perform in this venue. Nobody is dissing the European bloodlines, but just like Troll and Timmy had same bloodlines, they had different phenotype.....one of which seems to better suit the KNPV type dog.....yet again same bloodlines!