Abortion Clinics *sigh* - Page 9

If you believe that the life of an unborn child is somehow of less value, than I can appreciate some of the corresponding opinions.  GSD - my goodness, it sounds like you need a hug.  In your scenario, it is a foregone conclusion that our people continue in irrational and irresponsible behavior, culminating in a state sponsored solution half the country believes is murder.  Your response is essentially, that there are no causal issues to be dealt with, and that it is incumbent upon the rational and responsible to pick up the pieces for those who make poor choices.  Again, there will always be exceptions and extenuating circumstances, for which we ought have the net, however, the propagation of the current trend serves only encourage those problems.  I am responsible for my choices and actions, not yours or anyone else's.  That doesn't mean you aren't to be held accountable when you break the law, and according to "pro-lifers", abortion is murder. 

Blitzen  - I agree, that the GOP is largely composed of hypocritical professional politicians who are only invested in some of these issues for the purpose of posturing.  Whether it's Benghazi, or any number of other relevant issues, I think that finding sanity and acceptable resolutions can only really happen outside that partisan political atmosphere.  While my own values for instance, typically align with those of traditional conservatives, I have no use for the GOP, and view them every bit as much of the problem in Washington as their liberal counterparts.  It's troubling to say the least, that such important issues are reduced to little more than fodder for the crawlers on CNN, FOXNEWS, or MSNBC, often devolving into an existence exclusively political, where the reality that people are living is of little relevance.  We need to demand better.

How many more babies would be victims of sexual and physical abuse by boyfriends and mothers who didn't want them in the first place if abortions are outlawed?

Blitzen, that is a great point. The reality of those statistics are frightening. Not everyone should be adopters just as some people should never become parents. A biological bond is an imperfect protection of sorts, in a statistical kind of way.

When the issue of abortion gets directed towards deciding the value of life and whose life gets priority, the end results of an unwanted pregnancy is settled on a society that is forced to pay, with often dubious results, and the quality of life of the one born, seems to be ignored.

Miscarriages are a loss, and are grieved as such when the wanted child never gets born. When it happens as a result from a one night stand, it might be seen as a blessing for all parties, that three lives won't be miserably forced together for eighteen years, minimum. 

Mindhunt,
I don't trust the reporting of the 50% of women seeking abortions and also claiming their birth control didn't work. Do you believe that? I think plenty of women think they will trap a man with pregnancy and the plan backfires, so they seek an abortion. I wonder if there are statistics that tell the truth about that? Those women make me sick. 

If an unwanted pregnancy is truly accidental, or incidental, there is no doubt then in my mind, that the choice lies with the woman what to do with her body. It should never be a decision taken lightly. As a life is denied, no matter what.
 


 

I HOPE we are talking about two different things here,,

The original post was in reference to the butchering, gutting and dismembering of viable human beings,,I do not really want to debate Pro Life and Pro Choice issues here and just for the record I do not fall into the rigid thinking of most Pro Life supporters,

 I certainly hope that all those Pro Choice supports posting to this thread can see the difference between a woman having a right to take a morning after pill or aborting a fetus before it is viable, opposed to the barbaric actions of the doctors and mothers who chose to mutilate and murder a near term / viable unborn human baby...Equally the Pro Life thinkers should consider their rigid thinking with regard to opposing all abortion at any stage ...I realize that it is hard to draw lines when discussing this subject. I struggle myself with it, but I can hardly believe that any sane and sound mind could view what occurred according to the video as anything, but murder of a living unborn human being... And not a humane, merciful murder, but a barbaric mutilation by a painful and violent death...
 
Woman's rights??,,give me a break,No one has the right to gut, stab,or dismember any creature in this barbaric manner,,,As a society we have more humane laws for animals being put to sleep...Do I have the right to take Prince out back and mutilate him until he's dead?.Would you all be ok with that ??...People who think that women/doctors have this right are some sick individuals..Yes, I said that....Society should strive to protect the helpless, innocent, and those without a voice ( human and animal )..IMO this is a no brainer..Anything contrary is just a sober reminder of the complete depravity of the human soul....Yes, I said that too...:)



 

Ruger1,
agreed, the topic was about the bad medical practices of two doctors.
It really had nothing to do with the women who endured those procedures, but then someone started blaming the women for the situation.

The term viable is so often used in this debate and I consider that a propaganda tool for the pro-lifers cause.
With our technology viability has no meaning as anything could be viable simply because it is whole and undamaged.
You also used the word unborn, birth is where it gets real, not what's termed as delivery.
Again it goes to our techology and devices that can imitate life, machines.
Take a good long look at the human species as it is now, the genetics, society, and convince me we need more of it aided by technology and machines.

You use the term barbaric, one social view against another, or, what's barbaric to some may not be to others, a history lesson there.
How is abortion any more or less barbaric than say genocide?

It is the ending and removal of living tissue created and sustained in and by the body of the host mother, it may look like a bumpy potato at one stage, it may look like a fully developed human being at another stage, in and part of the womans body, a woman who has rights and does not have to agree with the judgement of others.
That's what people can't deal with, the image of a living child.
Your not a living human being until you are born, and yes this process we are discussing is graphic and very emotional, the methods to most if they had the oppertunity to view them would be hard to look at, no single word could describe it.

Point is no matter how distasteful or ugly it may be it is not anyones right to decide for another, and not just cause to condem someone on what is a moral, emotional response.
You mentioned human, animal, depravity of the human soul, sick individuals, I rest my case.


I'd say Prince is your problem and none of my concern wouldn't you?
Peta disagree's and we all know what peta is about.

It's no one else's business.














 

Sorta related,
More IRS shit.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2013/may/22/gop-questions-irs-scrutiny-anti-abortion-groups5/
 

Moons,No offense, but I find this topic to be a dead end and not worth making further comment//..It is a grievous topic and very complex and personal /// May God have mercy on us all....

 

As long as your god is passing out mercy perhaps he could visit some of the war torn countries and bless the dieing children there.
I'm sure they want to be blessed more than anything else.

Then maybe feed them, cloth them, love them, protect them from the horrors of our world.
Oh I forgot, he would rather destroy them and the world so we can all be one big happy family living forever at his feet.

I don't care for what those doctors did anymore than anyone else.
I'm sure their biggest concern is going to hell over it.

I am losing my tolerance with age.

I thought you said you were interested in the death experience.


 

Apparently, the Dictionary of Moons  is exquisitely handy. 

 

Bee,
did you get your posts mixed up....LOL

No, Moons, I have the correct thread. I found these from your post above:
 

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viable is so often used in this debate and I consider that a propaganda tool for the pro-lifers cause.

With our technology viability has no meaning as anything could be viable simply because it is whole and undamaged.

viable |ˈvīəbəl| adjective
capable of working successfully; feasible: the proposed investment was
 

...the word​ unborn, birth is where it gets real, not what's termed as delivery

unborn |ˌənˈbôrn| adjective
(of a baby) not yet born: the sound of an unborn baby's heartbeat | figurative :without training, your full talent remains unborn | [ as plural noun ] : the side with the most power will determine how America treats its unborn.​

Thesauras: embryonic, fetal, in utero; expected.
 

barbaric, one social view against another

barbaric |bärˈbarik |adjective1
savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal: he had carried out barbaric acts in the name of war.2 primitive; unsophisticated: the barbaric splendor he found in civilizations sincedestroyed.• uncivilized and uncultured.

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