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by gouda on 29 July 2013 - 12:07
Be it so ,but,
the promise of eternal life is extended to any individual who will trust Christ as his or her sin bearer,be that person a Jew, an Arab,or Gentile,or be that person of any skin color. For Gods word declares,
FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK,FOR THE SAME LORD OVER ALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM,FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED. ROMANS 10:12-13.
GOUDA
the promise of eternal life is extended to any individual who will trust Christ as his or her sin bearer,be that person a Jew, an Arab,or Gentile,or be that person of any skin color. For Gods word declares,
FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK,FOR THE SAME LORD OVER ALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM,FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED. ROMANS 10:12-13.
GOUDA
by Shtal on 29 July 2013 - 14:07
vk4gsd wrote: Ibrahim, you really believe the intelligent design line is proof of a creator????
Dear vk4gsd: The laws of physics cannot even cause anything to happen…To make this matter or the question clearer for you, if we replace the universe by the large jet engine and if we were asked by someone to explain it, shall we approach this by mentioning the persons agency of its inventor (designer). Or shall we follow atheism, dismissing this person (agency) and explaining the jet engine by saying, it arose by naturally physical law and I would say it would be just absurd and it is very obvious we need both levels of explanation in order to give complete description, and it is also obvious that the scientific explanation neither conflicts or competes with the agent/creator explanation, they compliment one another. It is same with explanations of the universe, God does not conflict or compete with the laws of physics as an explanation, God is actually the ground “base” of all explanation, in the sense that he is ultimate cause in the first place of a being the world for the laws of physics to describe…The laws of physics can/could explain how the jet engine works but not how it came to exist in the first place. Jet engine needed the intelligent and creative engineering work. The laws of physics could not actually produce the jet engine on there own; there also needed to be some material, subject to those laws that could be worked on it. And, now my dear vk4gsd this could be very humble stuff, but it is not produced by laws. And so now I will tell you this that the world of strict naturalism in which clever of mathematical laws all by themselves bring the universe and life into existences are pure science-fiction.
Dear vk4gsd: The laws of physics cannot even cause anything to happen…To make this matter or the question clearer for you, if we replace the universe by the large jet engine and if we were asked by someone to explain it, shall we approach this by mentioning the persons agency of its inventor (designer). Or shall we follow atheism, dismissing this person (agency) and explaining the jet engine by saying, it arose by naturally physical law and I would say it would be just absurd and it is very obvious we need both levels of explanation in order to give complete description, and it is also obvious that the scientific explanation neither conflicts or competes with the agent/creator explanation, they compliment one another. It is same with explanations of the universe, God does not conflict or compete with the laws of physics as an explanation, God is actually the ground “base” of all explanation, in the sense that he is ultimate cause in the first place of a being the world for the laws of physics to describe…The laws of physics can/could explain how the jet engine works but not how it came to exist in the first place. Jet engine needed the intelligent and creative engineering work. The laws of physics could not actually produce the jet engine on there own; there also needed to be some material, subject to those laws that could be worked on it. And, now my dear vk4gsd this could be very humble stuff, but it is not produced by laws. And so now I will tell you this that the world of strict naturalism in which clever of mathematical laws all by themselves bring the universe and life into existences are pure science-fiction.
by Two Moons on 29 July 2013 - 14:07
moe, curly sue, and larry...lmao.
the bar is so high now i think i'll go under.
the bar is so high now i think i'll go under.
by beetree on 29 July 2013 - 15:07
Ha ha. Moons, perhaps we just don't want what you think you have? You've been under for awhile.
by Red Sable on 29 July 2013 - 16:07
LOL@ Bee 
Ibrahim, you are a decent man, that is obvious to all of us.
Ibrahim, you are a decent man, that is obvious to all of us.
by Carlin on 29 July 2013 - 16:07
by Two Moons on 29 July 2013 - 17:07
beetree,
your post was so typical, as were those of gouda and shtal, hence the reference to the three stooges.
You try so hard.
Redsable,
you never did come up with that post you said you had for me.
I was sorta looking forward to it.
your post was so typical, as were those of gouda and shtal, hence the reference to the three stooges.
You try so hard.
Redsable,
you never did come up with that post you said you had for me.
I was sorta looking forward to it.
by beetree on 29 July 2013 - 17:07
No, that took me a nano second! LOL This one took a micro nano second!
by Two Moons on 29 July 2013 - 17:07
It shows.
by beetree on 29 July 2013 - 17:07
LOL, whatever. You always flip, if you aren't flopping.
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