Good Friday... - Page 5

I wonder if it would had been more merciful for the mother of that child in the picture had she aborted that child as a fetus, rather then to allow it to suffer a certain,  slow, and torturous death,,,Think on that,,??,,Abortion is another topic I struggle with,,,

Something we can agree on!  I don't struggle with it, I never had to.  And if you were never in a situation where it was discussed as an option, you never had to either.  But I could never presume to make that decision for another.  The bible is pretty clear about the value of a human fetus (arbitrary) and it's also pretty clear about when life begins and it's not at conception.  But that's another discussion!

Something along those same lines just happened in my sister's family that made me think long and hard.  Her neice-in-law gave birth to a boy at 4.5 months gestation, under one pound.  He is seven months old and just came home from the hospital.  They won't know the extent of his disabilities until he matures.  I told my mother I thought it was cruel to put him through that.  With an uncertain future, why would you want to watch someone you love endure nothing but misery and isolation in the most fragile moments of their life?  I would not have allowed extra measures, I would have been unable to watch that suffering for my own end, without having mercy for the poor baby.  I probably would have allowed him to die, had that happened to me and I had the choice.  But one can never say for certain, until put in the situation and faced with choices.

The God of the Bible does not.  He values ALL life.  My God is differnt than Rugers in that I fully believe He wants no one to perish, and died for all, not just a select few. 

He didn't just die a quick death, but suffered horribly, so He is no stranger to suffering.

RS, I really don't want to take this one to its logical conclusion, it's been a long day.  But I think you're pretty smart and you can probably figure it out on your own.  Why don't you try?

These particular logical conclusions upon which we arrive, as unpalatable as they sometimes may be, in no way preclude theism as a reasonable position. Emotivism leaves much to be desired in terms of explanatory power.

The problem I might have with your compassionate conclusions, Travels, is that the less than perfect child could have a future, you just can't imagine as being fulfilling. The other thing is with our "special" children, while they present challenges or even burdens, what "we" receive from them is often never expected and more often, just priceless.

So, pretty much every religion predates Christianity what makes all of you think Christianity is right and they are all wrong?

"what "we" receive"

Yes, at what price and at whose expense?  That's the "end" I was referring to in my previous statement.  If the child had a chance at a future, sure I'd take the chance.  But this child's future is tenuous, at best.  Why put him through misery to struggle, just so we can feel good about it?

(Re) Meet Liam, a baby with   http://eyewiki.aao.org/Axenfeld_Rieger_Syndrome whom the doctors ' strongly encouraged' my daughter to abort as his problems would be too much to overcome.

I wanted to show him off anyway :D

Well Liam, yes, had club feet which are now fixed although he still has to wear night braces, his iris's are off center, otherwise his vision is perfect. He has glucoma for the rest of his life bar a miracle or breakthrough, but hardly unmanageable.

His heart had a faulty valve, however, two operations later is just fine :) Oh, and his teeth are growing in fine too!

I love him to bits, as does everyone who knows him,  He is the happiest child you'll ever meet. He is only 14 months old but has quite a vocabulary already.  If I could. I'd show you videos of him doing the funniest dance moves and saying :"be happy" with his sweet little voice.

He has taught his mom and dad to have more compassion for other children that may not be perfect, and for what their parents are going through.  To say he's been an extraordinary blessing would be an understatement.

I saw a saying once that read, "if you have little compasson, perhaps you need to experience a little more suffering:"

You'd be surprised at the number of babies doctors have mis-diagnosed and were aborted for no reason at all.  How sad is that??

 

 

 

 

RS,

He is a joy I am sure but just because it was right for your daughter doesn't mean it is right for another. You can't pretend to know what another will experience nor how they will handle it. You have government health care, maybe another doesn't have that choice.

He is a doll and you could show his video by uploading it to youtube and then posting the video here.

Thanks GSD,  he is a joy. :)

I would never pretend to know, and I realize not everyone has healthcare, but the people I'm referring to aborting do.  There is always adoption, and I'd like to think, that where there is a will there is a way. The west aborts thousands a day, and most often it is just because they don't want the burden at that time.

Anyway, we're way off topic and I know my opinion isn't going to change anything. I'm done :)

 

Ruger1 wrote: Abortion is another topic I struggle with

 

Now let see? Does it evolutionary world view lend itself to accepting this concept of abortion and practice of abortion? And if you look at the evolution mantras survivor of the fittest, let the strong survive, do whatever it takes to climb up the corporate ladder, watch out for number one, well then you really don’t care about number two or anybody else that’s alone side you or behind you, so when we are thought that there are no moral absolutes which is part of the evolutionary world view, remember C. S. Lewis he said you cannot call a line crooked unless you have some idea that which is straight, so we can’t say something is wrong unless we would know that which is right “morally good” 85 percent of the woman; 85 percent of all abortion where performed on unmarried woman, so when we tell woman that - hey there is no right or wrong where it be fornication or adultery, we can’t be surprise the next necessary step is getting rid of this - blob of tissues, this parasite that is suck itself in your life and you need to get rid of it because you are still climbing up corporate ladder, trying to make a name for yourself, trying to be financially successful, we need to be careful and this is why evolutionary debate is important - to this area specifically dealing with abortion.