David Wilkerson vs Joel Osteen - Page 25

"2 Timothy 3:16 My hope was that you would see the error of your way through discussion..I am not your keeper and you will give account to God for the way you handled His Word especially since you consider yourself a teacher....."

That same scripture applies to you Deanna.

Some day we will all have the answers, I just pray those of you who are 'teaching' have it right, for your sake and those reading this and trusting in you, especially if you are misinterpreting  the Bible in areas pertaining to Salvation.

If any good has come out of this, it may get those of us, with still softened hearts, into our Bibles, searching for His truth, and no one else's.
AMEN.

OK, I"m out of here for good.

Happy Easter!!  Lets not forget the real reason for this Holiday. :)
 

Creation pseudo science is not a scientific model, all you are doing is promoting ignorance. What you have written in the above post is completely irrelevant and you know it. Religious freedom is a right that should be upheld, but it should not interfere with a child's right to a proper education.

In your opinion creationism is a pseudo science, but you cannot prove that God does not exist and you cannot prove how life began.  Remember, I teach at a Christian school.  The parents of my students want their children to receive an education in a Christian environment.  Also, I do teach about evolution.  But, I also let them know the Biblical account of creation.  However, I don't tell them what to believe.  I tell them to discuss it with their parents.  They are given the freedom to hear both sides and think for themselves.  Thank God we live in a country where parents can choose to send their kids to a Christian school.  Religious freedom gives us the right to have Christian schools.   And, since our school has national merit scholars and students awarded thousands of dollars in academic scholarships, we must be providing them with a "proper education."

In your opinion creationism is a pseudo science, but you cannot prove that God does not exist and you cannot prove how life began.

No this is not my opinion, your supreme court ruled that creation science isn't a valid scientific method. Furthermore, there isn't a single creditable university or branch of science that would support this model. Science doesn't make any unsubstantiated claims, nor does it base it's research on the premise of something that is not observable. What a stupid argument " I can't prove god doesn't exist". You can't provide a shred of evidence that he does exist and since we can make absurd claims without any supporting evidence, I say my dog is god. Prove me wrong. 

 I guess we should ignore the mountains of evidence that leads us through the evolutionary process because it can't show us (yet) how life began. If this is the standard in which we should judge evidence than how on earth can you believe God exists? The bible was written by men based on second hand knowledge and this is some how more creditable?

 Thank God we live in a country where parents can choose to send their kids to a Christian school.  Religious freedom gives us the right to have Christian schools.  

Parents should have the option, but theology should be taught as a separate subject not as a competing theory. This should apply to all faith based schools.

  And, since our school has national merit scholars and students awarded thousands of dollars in academic scholarships, we must be providing them with a "proper education."

Is this because religious dogma hasn't poisoned every aspect of what is taught at your school? You accept science, as long as it doesn't contradict the word of the bible. How can you possibly teach students with an unbiased approach?
 

Calvinism itself fosters doubts as John Calvin writes, “For there is scarcely a mind in which the
thought does not rise, Whence your salvation but from the election of God? But what proof have
you of your election? When once this thought has taken possession of any individual, it keeps
him perpetually miserable, subjects him to dire torment, or throws him into a state of complete
stupor…. Therefore, we dread shipwreck, we must avoid this rock, which is fatal to everyone
who strikes upon it…”2
Along the same line John Calvin also wrote, “Among the temptations with which Satan assaults
believers, none is greater or more perilous, than when disquieting them with doubts as to their
election, he at the same time stimulates them with a depraved desire of inquiring after it out of
the proper way…I mean when puny man endeavors to penetrate to the hidden recesses of divine
wisdom…in order that he may understand what final determination God has made with regard
to him.”3 Apparently John Calvin thought at the time it was wrong to desire assurance of one’s
salvation.
It appears that closer to his death John Calvin wasn’t so certain if he was one of the elect or not.
John Calvin wrote in his will, “I humbly seek from God…to be washed and purified by the great
Redeemer’s blood, shed for the sins of the human race…”4 That doesn't sound like man who has
assurance of his election. Contrast John Calvin’s apprehension to the assurance in 1 John 5:13.
Jesus stated in John 11:25-26 all we have to do is believe in him. It’s simple. We don’t have to
worry about God having two conflicting wills or if He has given us false faith. We can know that
we have eternal life; we don’t have to guess or wonder about it.
John Calvin was not alone in his doubts, even R.C. Sproul writes, “A while back I had one of
those moments of acute self-awareness…and suddenly the question hit me, “R.C., what if you
are not one of the redeemed? What if your destiny is not heaven after all, but hell?” Let me tell
you that I was flooded in my body with a chill that went from my head to the bottom of my spine.
I was terrified… I began to take stock of my life, and I looked at my performance…”5 I get back
to his conclusion in just a bit.
Dave Hunt writes regarding R.C. Sproul’s concern for his salvation and missing how the Bible
gives absolute assurance in 1 John 5:13, “Why doesn’t Sproul rely on such promises? Because,
for a Calvinist, the question is not whether one has believed the gospel but whether one, from
eternity past, was predetermined to be among the elect.”6
A common misconception is the “P” in Calvinism’s

gouda

Gouda, You may as well be speaking in another language ,,lol,,I can not make heads or tails of your post,,

Please tell me where you obtained this information ...I would like to read these quotes in their entirety, not just the paraphrased pieces you put together to make another one of your failed attempts to discredit Reformed Theology,,lol,,which is by the way another way of saying Biblical Theology..:) I actually feel bad for you Gouda, your attempts to discredit a teaching that you hate are only making you look more foolish..

Actually Deana its the other way around, You are starting to look foolish.

   gouda

Here you go Deana

http://www.freewill-predestination.com/file/assurance

Why  I'm posting  this its because the author believes the same as I do.
Big day for me tomorrow .

Praise God- He is risen
  gouda