George Zimmerman Trial Verdict Reached - Page 13

where race and ethnicity play a prominent role in the case,

    What, that neither was white?

Moons, if it were not for the fact that I think there's as much chance of Zimmerman actual being innocent as there is that he is guilty, I'd love to see him tried again, just to end the madness.  If he's innocent, he really doesn't deserve that.  Then, there is the question of the media circus for the next however long, complicated by the fact that somehow, in 2013, we still struggle to separate fact from opinion.  That, and the almost non-existent chance that the politicians would keep their noses out of where they don't belong.

Carlin,
I think it's all bullshit from start to finish.

You think 2013 is a first for separating shit from the flies?

Where you been.


Perhaps anyone could now go out and manipulate such a situation and someone end up dead.
The second word for today is ( manipulate )

I have been in a very similar situation and it did not end up with a death because I had that control and chose to use it correctly.
Choices were made with full knowledge of what could happen.

Personally I think the trial was also manipulated.
Starting with the jury.




 

Moons,
I would love to see the security footage of you skeedaddling your way, chased out of that gated community in Florida that you keep alluding to. Probably didn't have camera's back then,   oh phooey? Or at least tell us the whole story. What were you doing there any way, without an invite?



What would it take for you not to see manipulation in any situation, is the telling question.
 

What I find sad is the fact that while whites can be racist to other ethnic groups, other ethnic groups seem to be immune to being thought of as racist to whites.  Take how the media treated (or ignored) what Rachel Jeantel stated how Trayvon Martin described George Zimmerman as a "creepy-ass cracker" and when she asked him to further describe George Zimmerman, she testified Trayvon Martin said “creepy, white, kill-my-neighbors cracker".  She then tried to explain away what was said to Piers Morgan by stating she said "cracka" not "cracker".  Her explanation of "cracka" spelled "c-r-a-c-k-a" was that it meant "anyone acting like they're police or a security guard".  Both words used by someone non-white to describe a white is a derogatory and insulting term but apparently a black youth calling a white man a "cracker/cracka" is not considered racist. 

Not saying racism doesn't exist, sadly it does along with ageism, sexism, prejudice against sexual orientation, prejudice against beliefs that are different, etc.....

Bee,
we did no (skeedaddling), I did make him follow me all the way through the (community) to a different exit.
He had no choice, the street is public property in and of itself, an important point by the way.

Yeah they had security cameras back then, early seventies, the same year I saw Florida cops run over with a patrol car and then beat a man during a small riot on the beach in Ft. Lauderdale along A1A.
That was really cool, this riot I mean, some biker shot a cop in a bar and they closed off the whole beach and the highway, trapped like rats we were.

Anyway back to the drive by, just a bunch of long hairs, in my hippy van with a big joint painted all down one side...:), guys and girls, probably under the influence of one thing or another, out joy riding, site seeing as it were.
We had a very nice conversation that day, the security guard and myself.



(What would it take for you not to see manipulation in any situation, is the telling question.)
if it's not there then I don't think I'd see it.

You've never seen someone start something on purpose with an agenda and set up a situation?
Hell I see that kind of shit everyday.
  
 Moons.

Mindhunt,
you hit the nail on the head when you said MEDIA.
That's all it is, the media telling you how others think.

It's all bullshit as far as I'm concerned.
It's not that I disagree, I don't, but I take people one at a time as individuals and in all my life around all kinds I've never seen as much racism as whites seem to exhibit.
Only once in Texas, but that was black against brown for the most part.

Most gated communities are about class first and foremost anyway, not race.



 

Greta , on Fox News did interview one of the women attorneys from the Prosecutors office the day of the verdict and ask her two (2) times, "Was it true, the prosecution side was satisfied with the six (6) jurors picked and during and up till the Verdict had no reason to want any change or objection to any jurors actions and were totally in sinc with what would be brought to the court. Yes was her answer.

But then when it was  NOT GUILTY....THE words are    OOPS  we made a mistake.

MISTAKES ARE MADE EVERYDAY BY ALL OF US,...AND  looking up the definition of MISTAKE

I do not understand...how Attorneys think...We have a constitution like Blitz wrote and as in all cases   race, sex and religion could and sometimes do play a role...so throw out the rules????

Someone always wants to  PLAY by different rules.

YR

Carlin, I fail to recognize the significance of my opinion? REALLY!? How do you know that? What are you? A politician? What a crock.
So what's your goal? To convince every one that only your opinion matters and the rest of the people should STFU if they don't agree with you?
I don't care what you believe happened when Zimmerman killed Trayvon, you can believe any thing you want. Makes no diff to me. But don't belittle me because you don't like my opinion....which is that Zimmerman should have butted out when 911 told him to stop following the teen. The kid would likely still be alive and this topic would not be on this forum.

I fail to recognize the significance of my opinion? REALLY!? How do you know that?

You missed the key word; it was "practically", as to say, in practice, though perhaps not in theory.  You do so, by allowing yours to be formed and manipulated by agenda riddled politicians and mass media, who spew unsubstantiated propaganda left and right, while it is sucked up like plankton by those would forego exploring the facts, failing to make judgments based on empirical evidence, and allowing their emotions to run away them.  The table is then set for the tail to wag the dog, as I stated.  The bus has left the station, but you have no idea who's driving it.  If you pay careful attention when you read, you see that I am clear about what is verifiable fact, and what is my opinion; those lines ought not be skewed. 

So what's your goal?

I'd like to see people begin to think more, question more, not take so much for granted, to quit allowing the Chris Matthews and Rush Limbaughs of the world to form their opinions, to learn a bit about where we have come from in the realms of society and government, and to do so in way that sees us thinking critically, accurately, and empirically.  My opinion is of no more value than yours; if it were, do you honestly believe I would take the time?
 

I don't care what you believe happened when Zimmerman killed Trayvon, you can believe any thing you want
 

We, the people, are supposed to be running this country; we cannot govern based on what we blindly believe, would like to think, or how we feel.  It's a big reason why your elected officials, both liberal and conservative, feel that they are the only ones qualified to steer the boat.

The kid would likely still be alive

  Martin would likely be alive if he had not assaulted (allegedly) Zimmerman.