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by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 21:07
Moons, when doomsday comes, you'll need nothing at all, it's the end.
See, I believe in God, the rest like heaven and hell comes as a result, you believe in him, then you must believe all he says. I believe Islam is from God and was the end of all religions (end= last, completion and so on), just like Jewism and Christianity were from God. The difference is in Quran God undertook on himself to preserve Quran till the end of life, while he did not say that about other religions. After Islam came all believers, jews and christians were invited to enter in Islam as Islam is the inheritor of previous religions.
We believe that before the end, Jesus will come back and all believers shall follow him, us included. I am a believer so I automatically believe in all that, but I am not a very good performer
You ask me if it is all logical, well logical or not it's a package, you don't believe in part of it, you believe in all of it.
Ibrahim
See, I believe in God, the rest like heaven and hell comes as a result, you believe in him, then you must believe all he says. I believe Islam is from God and was the end of all religions (end= last, completion and so on), just like Jewism and Christianity were from God. The difference is in Quran God undertook on himself to preserve Quran till the end of life, while he did not say that about other religions. After Islam came all believers, jews and christians were invited to enter in Islam as Islam is the inheritor of previous religions.
We believe that before the end, Jesus will come back and all believers shall follow him, us included. I am a believer so I automatically believe in all that, but I am not a very good performer

You ask me if it is all logical, well logical or not it's a package, you don't believe in part of it, you believe in all of it.
Ibrahim

by Two Moons on 31 July 2013 - 21:07
I was asking you more about the videos, if you consider them credible.
There are many videos and interpretations, just wondering about this video.
There are many videos and interpretations, just wondering about this video.
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 21:07
Give me a couple of minutes I will reply
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
Moons,
This man is an engineer and a physist. What he is doing in those videos is taking some parts of Quran which were given to the prophet hundreds of years ago when there was hardly any science and explains those parts based on what science reached today. That is a very convincing approach to prove Quran can not be an invention or creation of a man in the age when there was no hardly any knowledge, therefore it must be from a superpower which is God.
Till this day there are some parts of Quran which means nothing to us, but as science develops we find out what those parts mean. The rule is there is no contradiction between Quran and science.
Moons,
My problem is not with God or Quran, not at all. My problem is this, people interpret Quran, many of them, according to their personal benefit and explain it the way it serves them. That is my real problem.
Quran is 100% exactly the same words which were passed from God to prophet Mohd, but the teachings of Mohd to his followers, what reached to us today, part is correct, part is weak and part was created by others and claimed to be said by the prophet, the proof to that is some of what was claimed to be said by the prophet contradicts what is said in Quran.
Moreover after the prophet Mohd died, it was up to his followers to complete the message, and here human wishes, personal interests took part, the proof is few of those who were friends to Mohd, fought inbetween themselves and killed each other.
Prophet Mohd had a jew neighbor who used to throw his waste at prophet's house entrance daily, then for few days the prophet did not find new waste at his door, so he said to himself something is the matter with my neighbor, he went and visite the jew and found he was sick.
Is this attitude available now among today's Muslims?
This man is an engineer and a physist. What he is doing in those videos is taking some parts of Quran which were given to the prophet hundreds of years ago when there was hardly any science and explains those parts based on what science reached today. That is a very convincing approach to prove Quran can not be an invention or creation of a man in the age when there was no hardly any knowledge, therefore it must be from a superpower which is God.
Till this day there are some parts of Quran which means nothing to us, but as science develops we find out what those parts mean. The rule is there is no contradiction between Quran and science.
Moons,
My problem is not with God or Quran, not at all. My problem is this, people interpret Quran, many of them, according to their personal benefit and explain it the way it serves them. That is my real problem.
Quran is 100% exactly the same words which were passed from God to prophet Mohd, but the teachings of Mohd to his followers, what reached to us today, part is correct, part is weak and part was created by others and claimed to be said by the prophet, the proof to that is some of what was claimed to be said by the prophet contradicts what is said in Quran.
Moreover after the prophet Mohd died, it was up to his followers to complete the message, and here human wishes, personal interests took part, the proof is few of those who were friends to Mohd, fought inbetween themselves and killed each other.
Prophet Mohd had a jew neighbor who used to throw his waste at prophet's house entrance daily, then for few days the prophet did not find new waste at his door, so he said to himself something is the matter with my neighbor, he went and visite the jew and found he was sick.
Is this attitude available now among today's Muslims?
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
When prophet Mohd won his final war against Mekka non-believers, they were gathered in the city center and asked him now that you won, what are you going to do with us, he said you can go, you are free people.
Is that what Muslims are doing nowadays? Do you see what is happening nowadays in Syria, Iraq, Egypt etc?
Nowadays Muslim Imams say conflicting thoughts and stands, so not all of them are correct and understand or tell the truth of what they understand of God's words.
Is that what Muslims are doing nowadays? Do you see what is happening nowadays in Syria, Iraq, Egypt etc?
Nowadays Muslim Imams say conflicting thoughts and stands, so not all of them are correct and understand or tell the truth of what they understand of God's words.
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
When the prophet sent an army to open a city or village, he used to tell the the army leader, do not kill a child, do not kill a woman, do not kill an old man, do not kill a priest in a temple, do not cut a tree. Is that what we're doing recently ?!!!
Politics, lust, greed has taken over.
God talked about orphan welfare and allowed a man to remarry to take care of the orphans on a condition to be fair to both the women and all the kids, and says if you feel in your heart yo may not be fair then don't it is better for you.
What do Imams do today, they marry 4 wives without a reason, just for the sake of fulfilling their needs, God did not say that. What I want to say, human screws most of what he puts his hand on, not all you are told is the truth or the whole truth, God and religion can not be bad, we are.
Politics, lust, greed has taken over.
God talked about orphan welfare and allowed a man to remarry to take care of the orphans on a condition to be fair to both the women and all the kids, and says if you feel in your heart yo may not be fair then don't it is better for you.
What do Imams do today, they marry 4 wives without a reason, just for the sake of fulfilling their needs, God did not say that. What I want to say, human screws most of what he puts his hand on, not all you are told is the truth or the whole truth, God and religion can not be bad, we are.
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
Is God really there?
In fact it is not that complicated, you either make it simple or harden it for yourself. Just look at the minute functioning of all the universe, that can not be a coincidence, something is after all that and that is God.
I do sometimes wonder what if all I believe in was a big lie, what if there was no God, what if there is no heaven and there is no hell? well I simply tell you nothing ads up together better than there is a God, nothing, nothing at all.
In fact it is not that complicated, you either make it simple or harden it for yourself. Just look at the minute functioning of all the universe, that can not be a coincidence, something is after all that and that is God.
I do sometimes wonder what if all I believe in was a big lie, what if there was no God, what if there is no heaven and there is no hell? well I simply tell you nothing ads up together better than there is a God, nothing, nothing at all.
by Ibrahim on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
Who could know 1400 years before that there are seven skies, who knew about atom, now we know that, it is mentioned in Quran.
There is an American politician who said " in future there will be wars without tears", meaning that there will be armies who are genetically copied from humsn, that is mentioned in Quran, the war which will take place betweem Yajooj and Majooj before dooms day.
There is an American politician who said " in future there will be wars without tears", meaning that there will be armies who are genetically copied from humsn, that is mentioned in Quran, the war which will take place betweem Yajooj and Majooj before dooms day.

by Two Moons on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
Your problem is not unique to only your religion, I understand that very well, this problem.
I share that problem but it extends to many scientists as well.
Theory.
( Just look at the minute functioning of all the universe, that can not be a coincidence, something is after all that and that is God. )
This is so familiar to many religions, to me the universe is no more amazing than the birth of a child or a butterfly.
It is not coincidence at all.
All things are connected to all other things.
Change one you change them all.
Anyway,
I respect your beliefs and thank you for sharing, nice posts.
I share that problem but it extends to many scientists as well.
Theory.
( Just look at the minute functioning of all the universe, that can not be a coincidence, something is after all that and that is God. )
This is so familiar to many religions, to me the universe is no more amazing than the birth of a child or a butterfly.
It is not coincidence at all.
All things are connected to all other things.
Change one you change them all.
Anyway,
I respect your beliefs and thank you for sharing, nice posts.
by vk4gsd on 31 July 2013 - 22:07
ibrahim, if yr book has all knowledge does it say if there is a biggest prime number?
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