The Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism - Page 12

About "Nature" as being discussed by Felloffer. Everyone pretty much agrees that humans, no matter our mechanics that bore our beings into existence, are part of Nature on Earth, yes? Except does anybody believe we had help from Aliens? Just to get that on the table.

Ruger1,
the question couldn't have been any clearer, but you pissed it away.

Besides,
your narrow minded religous views would over shadow any answer you may have given.
I think you are well suited for hovering over dieing people in a hospitol, watching whatever it is you think your seeing.
There is a term for that.

I gave you the only answer you are capable of grasping.
If you should ask your brothers and sisters in christ, since they speak your tongue so well, and are equally narrow minded, maybe you can find what it is you truly seek.

Bee,
there is nothing (as is) about our planet.
It is a living organism that is in constant change, we call it evolution.
Do I think we had help from aliens?
Help is the wrong word.
I would say the universe is also a living organism and full of life and obviously very diverse.


Moons.







 

↵What about a timeline? Certainly we can not escape the idea and realit(ies) of time! I noticed no one attempted to address that second part of my question about perfection:

Does perfection exist? If it does exist, is there a place on the timeline of existence that can also be described by science?

Fellhoffer, since you attest that perfection is an ideal, I would ask you to affirm that it would be "hard" for you to recognize and call something "perfect"?  I must admit, my beliefs are contrary to this, I think it is one of the easiest things in the world to recognize. Why does it matter? Well what do you think of this idea?

What if on the timeline of creation, without needing to know the missing part of what kick-started, something from nothing, what if it was a one time deal. A singular event that is and never will be replicable. For whatever reason, let's just say that is just the way it is. We can also talk about other possibilities, but let's just do this one for starters. What if, what we call life is being molded by Nature, and this process does not add anything in what you would call evolution, but really can only subtract or, in the case of a mutation, we'd call it a lateral move. It is changed from what it was, or the combinations were corrupted. Nothing is actually added with an "evolutionary" change from a DNA pt of view. So, it would be a denigration or a maintaining from the original state, that is either, ever steady yet subject to alteration. Meaning after this kick-start, something, never began from nothing, again. 

Now, we could also say, what if it was a one time deal for each Universe.... but I don't want to confuse people more than they are.... so just know I have that possibility registered. Just need to keep the points in order for the best chance of any body attempting to play along for a neutral discussion.

And then think about where human fits in. Now, we have to decide if humans belong in the scheme of Earth's Nature or an Alien one? Let's do Earths' Nature. For this discussion, let us admit human's are part of the original evolutionary kick-start, and not from another planet. We stand out unique to all that shares the planet, don't we? Pretty much everyone agrees sustainability for all other creatures goes way up, when humans aren't in the picture. 

Any ideas why we would be the sole living organism to get this distinction?  I mean, there are some pretty high order thinking mammals out there! There is the suggestion that marine mammals like the whale and dolphin could equal or exceed our own mental capabilities, if it weren't for the elemental barriers. Maybe we aren't alone in this? What do you think? I think we are. I'll tell you what I think that means, too, if there is still some quality responses of interest.

Jesus!!
Whatever your on I hope you keep it away from the little ones.....LOL

Moons,,You are such a grump..lol..I understood your question below,,I just didn't want to de-rail Bee's thread..That is why I asked you to start a thread on the topic if you so desire and we could talk about it there..,I am narrowed minded it you mean I am convinced of what I believe.. IMO you can be hard to follow and I would imagine that it's not just the religious that feel that way...

 

by Two Moons on 27 March 2013 - 03:34	Two Moons Posts: 11505 Joined: Tue Apr 10, 2007 07:21 pm
How would you prepare someone to face death?

 

Thanks Ruger1, but it isn't my thread at all! LOL
 
Travels started it, but all she's got left, apparently, are insults and a refusal to play, quid pro quo. Nature abhors a vacuum, so I just kind of took up all the space!

LMAO, because there are hardly any takers! I thought people wanted to explore and find answers to the meaning of life and how it has to do with our existence? A neutral ground for discussion? I think maybe people don't really want to discuss variables at all! They just want their conclusion acknowledged. Happens all the time. 






 

:)

Hundmutter,
Hmm, why wouldn't the successful design of a honeycomb be anything except an scientific absolute? I wonder if you instead mean established scientific method, is that your meaning?

I would make the case that science bears out the absolute perfection of design found in beehives; it illustrates the predictable temperature regulating functionality and simplicity of the hexagonal pillar structure.  For example, that scientific absolute enables someone to think of this, yes? 
http://www.ricoh.com/about/company/technology/tech/009.html
 

Have you looked inside a beehive lately, Bee ?
The hexagonals in a honeycomb may be capable
of mathematical explanation, and they may suit
their purpose just fine - but 'perfection' would mean
they all had to be identical, heh ?  Some are a bit
misshapen, in actuality, so they can't all be 'perfect'...

It is not the comb that is perfect, it is the bee.
Real bee's not the busy Bee.
Bee's will work around whatever gets in their way in the wild, in a man made hive they will seal every crack and space they do not need.
What came first, the math, or the bee?