What do Christians folks think about NWO ?? - Page 11

Yr welcome, if you don't mind can you please tell me why god invented child lukemia and polio.... what part of his plan to force innocents to suffer so. and is the doctor who treats such sufferers with atheism evolution science rebelling against god, will the doctor go to hell for trying to relieve the suffering of the child that god gave lukemia to?

Goodmorning vk4

 

The greatest trial of faith i the puzzle of why evil and suffering exists.

If God is all powerful and loves mankind as the Bible teaches,why does

he  permit the good to suffer and the evil to prosper as so often happens?

Why does he prmit poverty and illness and war,which destroy\innocen and quilty alike?

Jesus Himself offered a key to part of the riddle when He said that our heavenly father

maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good,and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

REASON,free will,and bounteous envirement are gifts from God to all man,

good and bad alike,to use as they wish

But man is sinful and in consequence th society he creates includes

many injustices.   The poor the underpriviledged the war victems,and the

criminal all arise out of this imperfect society.

The puzzle is not comepletely solved,for we stil do not fully understsnd Gods purpose,.

But we can safely put our trust in his love. The Apostle Paul says,

I reckon that the suffering of this present tim are not worthy to be compared

with the glory which shal be revealed to us.

 

 I hope you all have  great weekend.

    John

gouda your post is the most ignorant thing i have read in awhile here, free will arguments are so pathetic, it amounts to this; 

 

and all these babies had free will;

 

Miscarriage Statistics

Sadly, miscarriages are a very common occurrence. Sources vary, but many estimate that approximately 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage; and some estimates are as high as 1 in 3. If you include loss that occurs before a positive pregnancy test, some estimate that 40% of all conceptions result in loss. 

Although statistics can vary slightly from one source to the next, here is a general account (based primarily on information provided by the March of Dimes) of the frequency of miscarriages in the United States:

•       There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year.

•       900,000 to 1 million of those end in pregnancy losses EVERY year.

•       More than 500,000 pregnancies each year end in miscarriage (occurring during the first 20 weeks).

•       Approximately 26,000 end in stillbirth (considered stillbirth after 20 weeks)

•       Approximately 19,000 end in infant death during the first month.

•       Approximately 39,000 end in infant death during the first year.

•       Approximately 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage; some estimates are as high as 1 in 3. If you include loss that occurs before a positive pregnancy test, some estimate that 40% of all conceptions result in loss.

•       Approximately 75% of all miscarriages occur in the first trimester.

•       An estimated 80% of all miscarriages are single miscarriages.  The vast majority of women suffering one miscarriage can expect to have a normal pregnancy next time.

•       An estimated 19% of the adult population has experienced the death of a child (this includes miscarriages through adult-aged children).

vk4gsd ... that is a brilliant meme !!!

God Blessed America !!!

LMAO

thanks,

 

hey guess what, i have actually started saying YEEEHAW  in real life now, kind of belligerent and cool, really annoys the crap out of people which is i guess why you (and now i) do it, thanx. 

Vk4 wrote: gouda your post is the most ignorant thing i have read in awhile here, free will arguments are so pathetic, it amounts to this;

 

I'm sure that from the past confrontations my dear vk4; question and answers you have gathered that it is in fact God that chooses us rather than us choosing God. I want to delve a little deeper into that truth as it can be difficult to understand and especially for you my dear vk4. One analogy that I found helpful was a story that (Cornelius Van Til) gave to his students in one of his lectures. And so the story went something like this. There was a man who was working in his basement on a serum to bring the dead back to life. After many years he finally came up with the formula that he felt would accomplish this goal. Excitedly he divided this new serum into many doses, packed up his equipment, put it in the back of his pick-up truck and drove down to the local graveyard. Once at the graveyard he set up his tables, laid out the serums and yelled at the top of his lungs: “come and get it!!” You see my dear vk4, before we can even hear the good news of Jesus Christ, God first has to 'bring us back to life.' There are Christians who mistakenly feel that the best and only gift we can give to God is to choose Him. Absolutely we must choose Him, but it is God who makes that choice possible. This is made very clear when Christians pray for the salvation of others like Gouda stated many time on this forum (as I'm sure all Christian's have). What is it that we are asking God to do when we pray for the salvation of others? Surely it is not to ask God that he make people choose Him on their own, because wouldn't that be God's doing as well?

Can you understand vk4? The difficulty that many people have with this concept is trying to reconcile God's sovereignty and our free choice. The Bible teaches that God is sovereign over ALL things. The Bible also teaches that we must freely choose God. The question then becomes how God plans our free choices so that they are entirely according to His plan and also made freely by us. The answer my dear vk4: I don't know. God plans what we choose and we are entirely responsible for those choices. We must 'let God be God.' There will be things that we cannot understand but we must remember that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts, and his ways not our ways" as the smart book “Bible” says in Isaiah. There are many things that we cannot understand about God's ways. This is where we need to trust Him. But I'm sure my dear vk4; you always try to find ways to deny the God that you know he exists.

shtal i will honestly and non-confrontationally try and make some sense of increasingly messed up mental gymnastics you have twisted yourself into

 

i'm sure that from the past confrontations my dear vk4; question and answers you have gathered that it is in fact God that chooses us rather than us choosing God.

i have not gathered that and i have not even thought about it. nor do i agree with it.

 

I want to delve a little deeper into that truth as it can be difficult to understand and especially for you my dear vk4.

all your posts are difficult to understand but not for the reasons you think.

snip refer the  (Cornelius Van Til) story 

to use a complete nonsense story even via analogy as the basis for your next assertion you state as true is a dumb and self defeating tatic in my view, you would be better served by using a real story and some real facts/figures. it would give your assertion that follows a much more compelling basis. try for a change to use some actual facts and real stories to introduce your claims cos in my mind your follw up assertion is already compromised. if you want to convert people like me you should try figure how they think and what we require as acceptable proof, you fail badly in this area.

...... God first has to 'bring us back to life.'

 

see what i mean your cornellius story was supposed to make the above statement plausible or somehow true, both the story and the claim above mean nothing but faulty reasoning and untruth to me, not too mention gibberish, which further compromises whatever else comes next. in effect you in good intentions have used a non-sensical fictional story to strengthen a non-sensical (to me) claim. the nonsense compounds and erodes your message.

There are Christians who mistakenly feel that the best and only gift we can give to God is to choose Him.

your beef is with them not me. i think you are ALL deluded

Absolutely we must choose Him, but it is God who makes that choice possible.

why cos he created us to choose him, boo hoo for god

This is made very clear when Christians pray for the salvation of others like Gouda stated many time on this forum (as I'm sure all Christian's have).

the power of prayer has been studied in depth in double blind experiments and has been demonstrated to have no effect. so praying for salvation  (or anything) is pointless.

What is it that we are asking God to do when we pray for the salvation of others? Surely it is not to ask God that he make people choose Him on their own, because wouldn't that be God's doing as well?

err yes/no, i dunno

Can you understand vk4?

no

The difficulty that many people have with this concept is trying to reconcile God's sovereignty and our free choice.

do children choose to get cancer, do babies choose to miscarriage?

The Bible teaches that God is sovereign over ALL things.

does not mean it's true, muslims and hare krisna teach the same thing i would guess.

The Bible also teaches that we must freely choose God.

how can anyone freely  choose something if you have not been presented all the facts, now if god revealed himself we might be in a position to make a choice. but god seems to have forgotten we exist for the last few thousand years as nobody has seen him.

The question then becomes how God plans our free choices so that they are entirely according to His plan and also made freely by us.

now that is epic double speak and completely illogical, it is sad you can not see that.

The answer my dear vk4: I don't know.

then why do you act like you do and choose things you are not fully convinced of?

God plans what we choose and we are entirely responsible for those choices.

again...now that is epic double speak and completely illogical, it is sad you can not see that.

We must 'let God be God.'

i would not dream of changing god to be not god, how could i, i don't even believe he exists so how could let or not let him be anything, first he must reveal himself before i can accept he exists, and please do not start on the well the universe exists .........

There will be things that we cannot understand but we must remember that "God's thoughts are not our thoughts,

true, if god's thoughts were our thoughts then we would be god??

and his ways not our ways"

what are his ways, is the OT a guide to that, where he demonstrates the worst possible ways anyone could be with the whole genocide, slavery rape thing etc that you never ever comment on but quickly change the subject when it comes up to logical gymnastics.

as the smart book “Bible”

an aircraft manual is so much smarter and less contradictory than the bible, in fact an aircraft manual makes the bible author (god) look like a demented vengeful retard that every human should avoid at all costs. i will stick with the aircraft manual.

 says in Isaiah. There are many things that we cannot understand about God's ways.

ah the old, it makes no sense at all but...god moves in mysterious ways defense, that will work on a non-believer.

This is where we need to trust Him.

i would rather kiss a cobra than trust someone who drowned the world for no good reason, all those innocent children drowning. do you know how horrible a death drowning is, those children must have been screaming, why, why...and god just watched and worse noah and his family watched and not a single word of remorse was recorded in the bible by noah, what a bunch of deushes. 

But I'm sure my dear vk4; you always try to find ways to deny the God that you know he exists.

i have no evidence at all for the existence of a god.

 

 

Here you go: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html

And: http://www.explorefaith.org/world.html

If you christians are done, let a non-christian explain.

The New World Order is just a label, what it really means is global economics which are already taking over, one stable global currency, and one governing global authority.

There will still be wars, there will still be corruption, and we will continue to deplete our resources and polute our planet.

There will be no miracles and nothings a mystery about it.

It has nothing to do with any god, yours or anyone else's gods or superstitions.

You do nothings will let it go on hoping to validate your own superstitions.

 

Men are behind this, men are mortal, man can change this without mystery or magic simply by making the men responsible stop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moons, you are wrong, as time will show.