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by Hundmutter on 27 March 2013 - 18:03
Sorry, had to step out. Re: perfection, so if I understood
properly there are (however many billion people we're up to
now as the Earth total) x individual views / definitions of
what 'perfection' actually is ? Even allowing for a lot of
duplicates, that is a tall order. You certainly could not claim
it has any scientific validity / solidity, if the definition is that
open.
Personally I have a hard time reconciling it as anything
'concrete and real' in the first place. Entirely subjective
concept, if you ask me. Which is why I can't see any
reason for anybody to define it (their version) for everybody
else to accept / believe /aspire to.
I could not even say "Nature is 'perfect' " because what I
think is fine in 'Nature, red in tooth & claw' can be an
abomination to some other people with different sensibilities.
Who is to say which of us, then, is 'right' ?
properly there are (however many billion people we're up to
now as the Earth total) x individual views / definitions of
what 'perfection' actually is ? Even allowing for a lot of
duplicates, that is a tall order. You certainly could not claim
it has any scientific validity / solidity, if the definition is that
open.
Personally I have a hard time reconciling it as anything
'concrete and real' in the first place. Entirely subjective
concept, if you ask me. Which is why I can't see any
reason for anybody to define it (their version) for everybody
else to accept / believe /aspire to.
I could not even say "Nature is 'perfect' " because what I
think is fine in 'Nature, red in tooth & claw' can be an
abomination to some other people with different sensibilities.
Who is to say which of us, then, is 'right' ?
by beetree on 27 March 2013 - 18:03
Hundmutter, I wasn't hoping on being a statistician, I was merely going for discourse among the players. Please join with your view, because, really I bet, as a cross-section the responses, well, I bet they aren't all that diverse, and the categories will be few. Just play the game!
I do have more, no matter which way it goes....just need some true thoughts so it won't be contrived... after the fact.... if you know what I mean.
I do have more, no matter which way it goes....just need some true thoughts so it won't be contrived... after the fact.... if you know what I mean.
by beetree on 27 March 2013 - 18:03
And really Hundmutter, the more I think of it, how can you be scientific and rule out an ideal like perfection? If that is eliminated what do you have? Good-Enough, Will Just Have To Do? It really doesn't work and you know it too!
And in an attempt to defeat your denialist thinking--just think.... what of the honeycomb?
The nautilus-- spiral seashell, is that not perfection in design? Is that not observable? Sustainable for the species for eternity if kept in state of balance at its moment of creation? Why change anything? Why evolve, there has to be a catalyst, or it is all serendipity. A real deal of a lotto win to begin it all! What else?
You will dig your heels in and deny your own language, but that's okay, like I said, I have more!
I laugh sometimes, because I know when I ask simple questions SOME people go out of their way trying to figure out why I asked a question instead of just answering the question. Not saying it was you all the time, but in this case, a good possibility.
By the way, I love poker just no one will play with me, and I had just had a conversation about "tells" the other day. If I didn't know you were miles away across the pond, I would have sworn you were a fly on the wall, LOL
And in an attempt to defeat your denialist thinking--just think.... what of the honeycomb?
The nautilus-- spiral seashell, is that not perfection in design? Is that not observable? Sustainable for the species for eternity if kept in state of balance at its moment of creation? Why change anything? Why evolve, there has to be a catalyst, or it is all serendipity. A real deal of a lotto win to begin it all! What else?You will dig your heels in and deny your own language, but that's okay, like I said, I have more!
I laugh sometimes, because I know when I ask simple questions SOME people go out of their way trying to figure out why I asked a question instead of just answering the question. Not saying it was you all the time, but in this case, a good possibility.
By the way, I love poker just no one will play with me, and I had just had a conversation about "tells" the other day. If I didn't know you were miles away across the pond, I would have sworn you were a fly on the wall, LOL
by Two Moons on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
Nature is perfection,
perfection exists.
If you can't see it, your not looking.
It is not an idea.
perfection exists.
If you can't see it, your not looking.
It is not an idea.
by Felloffher on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
Moons,
There are no imperfections or shortcomings in nature?
There are no imperfections or shortcomings in nature?
by Two Moons on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
No,
natural selection removes them.
All but man.
natural selection removes them.
All but man.
by Felloffher on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
Then nature is almost perfect, we just won't go down without a fight.
by Two Moons on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
No, it is perfect.
Not sure what you mean about going down without a fight.
Not sure what you mean about going down without a fight.
by Felloffher on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
Nature does everything in it's power to control our population at a sustainable level, we just keep fighting it every step of the way.
by Two Moons on 27 March 2013 - 19:03
We do not live in nature anymore, our technology bypasses natural selection.
Nature does not seek us out, we simply get in it's way.
Nature does not seek us out, we simply get in it's way.
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