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by txarkoeta on 19 May 2023 - 07:05

Hello. I am not a big believer in inbreeding, I recently bought a 3-3 puppy at Yucca von der Mohnwiese. I know she was a very good breeder but...what was her character like? I want to know what Yucca was like to compare her with my puppy

by duke1965 on 19 May 2023 - 13:05

better look at the actual parents of your pup, 3-3 on paper means nothing in real life

by GSCat on 20 May 2023 - 21:05

Here is the breed report on Yucca.  If you don't read German, you'll have to get someone to translate it for you.  Google Translate is NOT sufficient, but might give you an idea.


You can look at Yucca's offspring on PDB and see what she produced photo, title, and breed report-wise.  You will get the best information from looking at your puppy's parents and any full siblings of your puppy if the litter your puppy from is a repeat breeding.


That said, Yucca is on working-dog, and there is a link to a breeder that has a short description of her on their website (under the Legends tab).  Not going to post the actual links out of respect for PDB and because I don't know anything about the breeder.


Every puppy in any given litter will be different. In a good breeding, most will be similar in many ways, but there are always differences, and sometimes one or two puppies in a litter will be very different. It's both genetics and environment. Every puppy is an individual.  Breeders can make educated guesses about what a particular breeding will produce and good ones will usually be mostly right about the general characteristics of a given litter, especially with good genes and good pairings. The breeder of your litter should be able to provide specifics about the lineages, pairings, litter, your particular puppy, and how your puppy compared with other puppies in the litter re activity, temperament, size, etc.-wise.


☺️  Most importantly, enjoy your puppy!  ☺️



by Sunsilver on 21 May 2023 - 01:05

Verbatim koer report:

Large, medium-strong, dry and firm with good height-length ratio, very good pigmentation and good expression. Strong head, dark eye, good withers, firm back, somewhat short croup of good position. Well angled fore- and hindquarters, balanced chest proportions, straight front. Stepping straight, shows powerful, expansive gaits with good grandeur. .Gun sure, fighting drive pronounced. V: Very well pigmented. VI:Particularly suitable for improving working dog characteristics. INBREEDING on: Yoschy, Troll-Timmy

by duke1965 on 23 May 2023 - 03:05

GSCat you are spot on, every puppy in a litter is different, look at offspring of many famous dogs that produced a lot of offspring, only a few come into the light and if we look closer, those few are most of time owned by top trainers, so to look at what is in third generation will most likely tell you nothing about your actual pup, furthermore it is interesting at working dog to look at ancester loss coefficent, which in most dogs is more than 95 procent, you can take that few left over percent as predictable outcome in your next generation LOL, now do that 3 generations, now Im far against any form of making breeding a science, but it gives you somewhat of an idea

by txarkoeta on 23 May 2023 - 10:05

So...why are consanguinities made?

by duke1965 on 23 May 2023 - 12:05

dont know what you mean by that question, but a name in the pedigree is more of a selling tool than a guarantee for certain quality

by txarkoeta on 23 May 2023 - 16:05

I know, but if consanguinities don't work, what are they done?

by duke1965 on 24 May 2023 - 01:05

you mean if linebreeding dont work, why do people do it ?

by GSCat on 24 May 2023 - 01:05

Some breeders' philosophy is that it works and they do it.
Others say it doesn't work, and they don't do it.

I'm of the opinion that it does work, but care must be taken not to fix (strengthen) a bad characteristic while working on strengthening good characteristics. And line breeding isn't always the right thing to do. Depends on what one is trying to accomplish and the available bitches and studs.

My GSD is Line 4 and Line 2 with a little Line 5. I can see distinguishing characteristics of Lines 2 and 4 strongly represented in her, and one specific trait of Line 5. I considered studs for her based on having desirable matching characteristics that I want to maintain, and desirable characteristics to improve some less good things to get better puppies (improve the breed).

Unfortunately, circumstances have prevented breeding, and it may now be too late.


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