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by Prager on 13 October 2018 - 16:10

ValK:""shadowed guarding" - dog constantly remain next to person, designated to be guarded and protected when need arise, by that dog.
at same time this dog shouldn't bother anyone, be distracted by anything or create any kind of inconvenienc"

Hans: that is called packing instincts. In pack animals tend to live together which is advantageous for their survival - that includes the fact that group can protect itself better than the individual. This is an instinct which can be exploited by our training.
For kicks and giggles, I googles term "shadow guarding" and I got something about shadow guard in Star Wars. When I googled "shadow guarding in dogs" I got nothing. I do like the term though.

by Prager on 13 October 2018 - 16:10

ValK:" i noticed even people, for long time involved with breed, don't have much clue what is protection dog."
Hans: Maybe I am paranoid but I sense the thinly veiled personal attack.
valK can you tell us what is protection so that we have a clue?

by ValK on 14 October 2018 - 16:10

When I googled "shadow guarding in dogs" I got nothing.

i guess then i just did invent or make-up such term.
i'm not much advanced in english but thought that could be best way to describe nature of work environment, for which dog must be selected to perfectly comply.

Maybe I am paranoid but I sense the thinly veiled personal attack.

could be you too sensitive, if see any sentence as attack on you.
i didn't have such intention. expression was in general content.
but i absolutely disagree with your stance in regard of prey drive for dog, destined to perform protection work on pro. level.

by Swarnendu on 15 October 2018 - 14:10

Wow! 9 pages to find the answer?

Trained protection dogs are less dangerous than untrained protection dogs.

Trained show dogs are less dangerous than untrained show dogs.

Trained pet dogs are less dangerous than untrained pet dogs.

Trained. Cats are...
Trained rabbits are...
Trained humans are....

Etc etc


by Hundmutter on 15 October 2018 - 19:10

Yep. So to ask again the question Prager started with, how come so many people seem to believe the opposite ? And one could also ask, why then spread that opinion so widely ? Any theories ?

by Prager on 15 October 2018 - 19:10

Thanks, Hundmutter for your post.

by duke1965 on 15 October 2018 - 20:10

not so complicated, general belief is if you train something you will be better at it, so if you train your dog in bitework, he will be better in bitingShades Smile


by Hundmutter on 15 October 2018 - 21:10

Duke I hate to have to tell you, but the vast majority of the world's population do not even own a 'protection' dog, much less do any training of protection dogs - which does not preclude them thinking this about them, though !

So it can't just be a matter of thinking "Oh someone has trained that dog to bite, therefore it will bite, and it will bite worse than some other dog."


Prager, u r welcome, the question bothers me somewhat too.  I feel it kind of IS ignorance, somewhat along the lines of what Duke is saying; but it is more complicated than that, because of the disparity between those few who know about / train dogs, and those who don't. I also think the news media has always had a part in cultivating this misinformation.  I sometimes wonder about some persons who make their living out of (pet) "dog training" spreading it, too ?  Add to this mix those dogs BADLY trained in bite work, by amateurs and idiots all over, (plenty of videos around) who, contrary to the argument often defended by the 'proper' Trainers, DO exist (there are drop-outs and copy-cat morons in every walk of life) and I think we might get closer to the recipe for this disaster of popular thinking.


by Prager on 16 October 2018 - 01:10

I may agree with Duke that such may be a knee-jerk response albeit not very logical one. after it seems that if the dog is being trained something he will do it better but also under better control. When I explain this way to my clients, they invariably say: "Hmmm, I did not think of it that way." However when I ask them why they have no answer for me. Never.

by duke1965 on 16 October 2018 - 03:10

hund, im saying general belief, there are more non dog people around than people who understand dogs and training, so its understandable that non dog people will think that way, you are training him to bite, so that is what he will do, when the smart dog people will know,in most casas, no sleevy no biteyWink Smile


as we all know, the media, well what to say about that....................................................

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