MENTORING/HELPING SOMEONE - Page 1

I SOLD OUR YOUNG AGGRESSIVE FEMALE TO A GUY IN CANADA AND HAVE SHARED BREEDING RIGHTS(MILITARY/HIM). WE FOLLOWED THE BLOODLINES AND DEVELOPMENT OF A MALE HE HAS WHO SHOULD MATURE INTO AN EXTREMELY BIG, STRONG, CIVIL DOG. BOTH DOGS WILL BE SCHUTZHUND TRAINED IN A PRETTY GOOD CLUB UP THERE AND HOPEFULLY BRED. OUR MILITARY NEEDS ARE SIMILAR YET DIFFERENT FROM WHAT HE WILL LIKELY REQUIRE AND I KNOW THAT HE AND HIS CLUB SPEND ALOT OF TIME TRAINING THEIR DOGS. IN THE MILITARY WE JUST GIVE ORDERS. I WISH TO CONTINUE TO HELP HIM WITH SUGGESTIONS YET WISH NOT TO ALIENATE HIM FROM "SCHUTZHUND" TRAINING. FROM OUR STANDPOINT THE TITLES ARE NOT ANYWHERE AS IMPORTANT AS THE DOG, BUT THE TITLES ARE IMPORTANT FOR WHAT HE DOES. I AM PLANNING ON TRAVELLING UP TO VISIT HIS CLUB NEXT SUMMER AND SEE HIS DOGS AND WORK WITH THEM A BIT AND HELP IF I CAN--I WILL BE BRINGING OUR TOP TRAINERS AS WELL. ANYONE HAVE ANY MANAGEMENT STYLE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO BEST MAKE HOPEFULLY HELPFUL SUGGESTIONS TO HIM BUT NOT ALIENATE HIM FROM HIS CLUB OR HARM ANY POTENTIAL WELCOME ME AND MY TRAINERS COULD HAVE GOING TO SEE HIM IN THE SUMMER

Personally, you could order ME around and I'd say "Yes Sir!" if you were giving me such great help! Me...I'm thinking of offering free room and board and an Alaskan summer vacation to bribe some good trainers here to help me! I might throw in a halibut fishing trip to boot!

<<,I'm thinking of offering free room and board and an Alaskan summer vacation to bribe some good trainers here to help me! I might throw in a halibut fishing trip to boot!>>> Wow! when do we start?

You can start this summer, when the weather is warm enough, but still not usually over 70 degrees, no snow on the ground, and I have the basement apartment ready for occupancy, LOL. I'm really serious. If interested, email me.

You may not be in too bad a shape. Most of those Canadians are pretty serious about Schutzhund. Lots of good clubs and training situations North of the boarder. Taking your trainer to see how he's doing? Remember the old joke. What are the two thing two helpers can agree on? What the third helper is doing wrong. I would see who the helper is now and take issue now if the helper is not satisfactory to you rather than letting the dog work almost a year and make a decision then. The decision will be hard now but impossible once the handler and helper have put 9 months in the dog. Let's just say I wouldn't be too happy if my co owner came up with another helper after I put 9 months in a dog to see at that time if they liked what was going on. Check out the situation and make your decision now.

While I know you don't want to alienate him from the Schutzhund training he does with club, the actual club time is schutzhund training. The training done for "military" should take place away from the club. If the helpers and trainers want to help you, then that should be their choice and not take away from club time and their dogs. As a club helper, I'm not at club to help someone sell police/military dogs, I'm there to train for sport. We train at our Training Directors home and he has his own kennel, they have asked that if you want to sell dogs do that at your own home, and not theirs. Now, training/selling dogs to military is totally differnt from sport. As a helper I would challenge a dog more during protection than for sport. We may send the dog into the woods instead of the blind, or through a corn field. We also would throw a wrench, screwdriver, or other objects into either area to show the dogs hunt and retreive drives. They are looking for dogs that can do the work, they don't care about schutzhund and what points the dogs get. Dog1...Taking your trainer to see how he's doing? Remember the old joke. What are the two thing two helpers can agree on? What the third helper is doing wrong. I totally agree on this. While I can watch a good helper and learn from him, I can also look at others and see everything they are doing wrong from short drives to weak stick hits or wrong sleeve presentation. Jeff

ne-pol..-- that is good advice -- sport --police and military are similar yet very different -- !! what you want in a dog is entirely different !! what you want the dog to learn is entirely differnt -- e.g -=- in schutzhund .. a bark and hold or barking during agitation and excitement !! oh good lord ... your canine barks on a battlefield -- you're dead /and maybe the whole unit **!! unlike sport in policework .. many states there is no call off when canine is sent for apprehension -- in sport ... you better be able to call off your dog and it darn well better be social --- in sport the helper can teach the dog through controlling it during the exercise ... in military when the dog is apprehending .. no one else will have dominion over it -- AND SO AND SO the differences -- better train with those that have similar goals and agendas---