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by stoelzle on 25 November 2015 - 04:11

If you breed a long coat that came out of 2 stock coats to another long coat that came out of 2 stock coats...don't all of the pups have long coats?
Blue eyed parents get blue eyed child, yes? The great at home debate.

i say long coat to long coat =all long coat pups?????
Or, we could just wait a couple weeks to see. Would like to know inorder to be correct in advertising.

Dawulf

by Dawulf on 25 November 2015 - 07:11

Yes, if you breed a coated dog to another coated dog, all the puppies will have long coats.

However, two blue-eyed humans will not always have a blue-eyed child. They're are a lot more genetics that influence eye color than was originally thought. :)

by stoelzle on 25 November 2015 - 14:11

Wow, I was using the blue eyed thing as an example. Always believed that to be true. Hmm. Will have to find a human genetic forum,
Thank you though, though. That was a big debate and i didn't want to mislead anyone that I had stock coats.
thanks for replying.

susie

by susie on 25 November 2015 - 18:11

A "real" coat bred to a "real" coat results in coated puppies only, no chance to get a stock coat out of them, but sometimes people think a dog is coated, but in reality it´s "only" a plush - in this case you will get stock coats in the litter, too.

Let´s say LL = longcoat, LS = stockcoat, but carrier for longcoat ( L ), maybe phaenotypically very "plushy", SS = stockcoat, no carrier for the longcoat gene

LL ( longcoat ) x LS ( stock, but carrier for longcoat ) =
LL + LS + LL + LS
that said in this case the chances are ( statistically 50 % longcoats, 50 % carriers )

Two real longcoats bred together:
LL x LL =
LL + LL + LL + LL ( 100 % longcoats )

Two carriers ( stockcoat, but carrier for longcoat ) bred together:
LS x LS =
LL + LS + LS + SS ( statistically 25 % longcoats, 50 % stockcoated carriers, 25 % real stockcoats )

Two stockcoats bred together, NO carriers
SS x SS =
SS + SS + SS + SS ( stockcoats only )

Two stockcoats bred together, only one of them a carrier
LS x SS =
SS + SS + LS + LS ( 50 % real stockcoats, 50 % stockcoats, but carriers )

A high percentage of German Shepherd dogs are LS ( stockcoats, but carriers ), because of that coaties "pop up" all the time...


by stoelzle on 25 November 2015 - 18:11

Well, all of mine have little pink bellies that have long hair growing over them like a man with a black comb over. I am betting they are all long coats! Just being funny but honest.
The breeder told me the female was a long coat that I bought from him. The sire is without a doubt, a long coat.
The guy who does the testing at the lab says they test either as longcoat or stock coat-no 'plushy' catagory. That having been said, I think that it just might be the opposite of how people describe it. That 'plushies ' are long coats with not real long coats rather than stock coats with heavier, thicker coats.
Thank you for your breakdown of a complex issue. Time will tell.

susie

by susie on 25 November 2015 - 19:11

Genetically a dog is either short or long, a so called "plush" normally genetically is a shortcoat ( but almost always a carrier ).
To be sure ( you are sure about the sire ) just test the dam.

Bundishep

by Bundishep on 28 November 2015 - 17:11

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Bundishep

by Bundishep on 28 November 2015 - 17:11

Is this a long or plush ? I have a hard time telling the diff at 5 weeks old

Bundishep

by Bundishep on 28 November 2015 - 17:11

If a plush is a genitic short coat but almost always a carrier does that mean a carrier for plush or long coat?

Bundishep

by Bundishep on 28 November 2015 - 17:11

Will a long coat always have long hair growing between the toes when dog mature and if it doesnt could it be only a plush coat and not a long?





 


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