Andre von der NexxJenn 9-11 months Obedience - Page 1

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by caninecam on 12 November 2019 - 14:11

by apple on 13 November 2019 - 06:11

Are you training this dog for any particular sport?

by Koach on 13 November 2019 - 07:11

Nice dog. You both have a great attitude. Thanks for posting.

You are doing well but definitely could use some coaching if you are training for IGP and high points as you are also creating some bad habits.

Once again nice dog. Good attitude on your part. Good luck.

Could you post dog's pedigree.


by apple on 13 November 2019 - 08:11

I agree on both points-nice dog and training issues. The first thing that stands out is the dog's stride/pace when heeling. It is more of a hop than a heel and the dog needs to learn to heel in a smooth, consistent pace. The handler's pace is part of the problem and the longer it goes on the worse it will become. Static heels are crooked and are being reinforced. Dog's rear end awareness needs improvement and is to the left some while heeling. Head position could be better rather than wrapped around front some. Drawing the dog into the handler with the hands/toy at the handler's waist will create problems because his hands will never be there in a trial. Same with hands behind the handler. When rewarding the dog heeling in motion and throwing the ball, I would toss it to the left and behind the dog to prevent forging. I would begin to fade the luring and the lure. Consider putting the ball under your arm and then fade to holding the ball behind the dog's head while heeling. It is all the little things in terms of positioning, reinforcing the exact correct behavior, how to reinforce, hand positioning that can make a big difference and not create problems that have to be unlearned. The dog clearly has the drive for very nice obedience.

by ValK on 13 November 2019 - 12:11

i guess you're not training your dog to perform in circus?
what video demonstrates isn't obedience per se but shows of dog's ability to perform tricks.
how that dog will remains next to you during the without leash walk in public space or in wilderness and seeing distracting
factors (other dogs, cats, rolling ball, running rabbit, etc.)
how that dog will return to you on recall from considerable distance when being occupied by some kind of own business
and you don't have dog's toy in your hand?
how that dog would stay at spot till being released of given command, when you disappear for prolonged time from dog's line of sight?

by apple on 13 November 2019 - 13:11

Your comments just reflect your bias and have no correlation to whether a dog trained for precision sport obedience will also have reliable obedience in real life applications. Some of the sport training will support real life obedience reliability and a dog should be trained for both. Leash laws require dogs walked in public to be on leash. Do you see police dogs being walked off leash? My dog has a very nice focused heel. When I walk him in public he can walk however he wants, which is usually centered in front of me. If I need to call him to heel, he does a very fast and precise service (flip) finish. Whenever I leave my property I have to drive out a gate that is right next to a road. My dog reliably downs and "stays back" off leash and collar until I am out of the driveway, have shut the gate and given the release command. I trained my dog with a toy and now I stuff it behind my back at the waist, so he doesn't see the toy except as a reward when tossed. I find that often, people who are critical of precision sports obedience have never done it and have no clue how to do it. It takes a lot more skill and knowledge than simply training a dog to stay when you go out of sight for some time. In heeling, I train with distractions such as the dog being hit with a clatter stick and he still maintains a focused heel. So actually, correct precision sport training leads to more reliable obedience. It requires a lot more than a correction on a prong or choke collar. Low stim e-collar training can also add to reliability and excellent off leash control. I actual have stopped using the leash altogether and have very precise, reliable obedience. Plus, have you seen some of the circus tricks dogs have been trained to do? How many people do you think are capable of that? And don't forget that in the various protections sports there are some exercises that require protection obedience with dogs that have a very high drive to bite, but that desire to bite is under the control of the handler and uses the same approaches of operant learning as the so called circus training of precision sport obedience.

by Hired Dog on 13 November 2019 - 13:11

Valk, please, tell us and the OP how you would train a dog, what methods would you use, etc. I am always open to listening and perhaps even learning...

by ValK on 13 November 2019 - 13:11

apple, of course it's my bias toward dog obedience in real life, when for dog certain behavior and action is not a trick in
anticipation of reward but a necessary norm of life.

by apple on 13 November 2019 - 14:11

You are projecting your biases and values onto the dog. The dog doesn't know what a trick is or if a behavior is a necessary norm of life. He simply knows what he has been taught.

by apple on 13 November 2019 - 14:11

You are projecting your biases and values onto the dog. The dog doesn't know what a trick is or if a behavior is a necessary norm of life. He simply knows what he has been taught.


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