did the roman soldiers commit a sin by killing Jesus?? - Page 1

According to scripture Christianity exists because God created himself from himself to sacrifice himself to himself.

 

God / Jesus willed this to happen, it became a future fact in the present of the Romans but an existing fact in the present of God, it couldn't have not happened.

So did the Romans commit a sin by killing Jesus?

Are we even really sure that "Roman soldiers" actually
'killed Jesus' ???

Assume it.

vk4, Mel Gibson will answer that question, it's long interview when you play it but he will answer your question.

How serious of a response are you looking for? Certainly don't want to waste time with something that will just be used to make a retarded, groupfest mockery. I found this though, and I did think it was funny. 

 

 

 

Not looking at any YT clips or answersingenesis apologetics, just want a respectful discussion.

if you want cut to a chase, click video 11 minutes into a play or 11:00 exact with a mouse. Simply Mel Gipson explains....

Can you not speak for yourself, you need Hollywood?

Look at it later.

I think what you are asking is, since God knew how his Son would die, and in fact HE required it, then are those who did the final act of killing, fullfilling their role in human "justice", also guilty of the sin of murder?

Interesting question, if it is seriously asked. I will probably regret joining in with my answer:

Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is his...", so if that also means a soldier's obedience, then I would hope God's judgment would provide them a measure of mercy. Of course, what will be His to judge can not be known.

Now, the history tells that it was a choice by the Jews that condemned Jesus, and allowed Barabbus to be freed, by following the Roman custom at Passover, and that is how Pilate intended for the blame to go. In the end, though, it does not end well for Pilate, later on in his life. His wife did plead for him to have nothing to do with Jesus, having been tormented by a dream.  Any way...

More concerning and to the point, as to the Roman foot soldiers culpability, at least the one's stabbing Jesus in his side or wetting his lips with vinegar, and casting lots for his robe— for a believer, it would be an accounting to their souls. This is based on whether they knowingly rejected the teachings of Christ, and that Jesus is the Son of God. See, if an unbeliever commits an act that kills someone, but does not believe in his own immortal soul, determining something a sin really doesn't matter, does it?

Without faith in God, no killing is a sin then, either the soldier's fulfilling his duty, or perhaps malice will deem an act a crime for the one who is the perpetrator. In the original and purest sense, it is only a sin when viewed under the visage of divine law, and what is commonly known and understood as: Seen in the eyes of God.

Only a believer will be in truth, identifying some act as a sin because the offenses are clearly defined through the word of God; The Ten Commandments. Without a faith belief, you will only have crimes and other such wrong doing's as defined by man.

And then on the other hand, there is Romans Chapter 9, verse 22 to consider. Hmm.

IMHO

 

Yes thank you, that is my question.

In light of scripture the Romans and or Jews played out their roles predetermined by an all powerful creator of the universe, time, space... the whole she-bang.

This act regardless of actually happening or not has been used to kill and vilify real Jews, but going off topic now.

 

It seems the crucifiers had no free will, if they had a choice they would have fuked God's plan.