Do you think he will bite for real? - Page 7

Shredding faces and mauling hands? No need to mention Defense.

No wonder the GSD is                   as it is when people think that this is appropriate aggression.

THIS is what the Shepherd is supposed to be:

CHARACTER
The German Shepherd Dog must be well-balanced (with strong nerves) in terms of character, self-assured, absolutely natural and (except for a stimulated situation) good-natured as well as attentive and willing to please. He must possess instinctive behaviour, resilience and self-assurance in order to be suitable as a companion, guard, protection, service and herding dog.

Can I just clarify for BE and others that I do not condone what the dog I referred to did, in biting the guy's face ? Just pointing out it was a 'real' bite, it wasn't set up in any way, it was not a controlled bite, he was not trained to bite; it was the dog deciding he (and I) were under threat, and acting - as Shawnicus, and posters like him, has in the past promoted, nay defended, as the real work PPDs should be able to do.

It's odd, but when there is real blood sloshing around and ambulances being called, rather than a bit of bruising under a padded jacket, it tends to focus the mind on what is really important.

Hundmutter, I had to go back to find your post. Back then when we were teenagers we always went to visit a local "Bauernhof" to get fresh milk. They too had a chained GSD that acted very much like this dog. One day he bit my sisters hand. If any of our dogs would have ever laid a tooth on any of us or our friends... that being said, taunting dogs would have gotten us a serious beating.

I cannot for the life of me understand how this type of aggression is considered appropriate. Face and Hands are not true confidence in my book.
 

The dog I referred to was a dog - as I said on page one - who acted very much like the dog in the video posted by Mithuna. He was behind a fence; but HE was NOT chained. He was kept to guard premises, and he did. I am sure he provided a big deterrent to anybody thinking of climbing in and robbing the office or damaging trucks. When someone DID get in, one time, this dog cornered them where they couldn't get out again, and kept them there until the morning when the yard reopened and he was relieved of responsibility. He did not bite the intruder. (Not saying dog in the video would automatically behave the same !).

This dog was trustworthy to roam about the yard all day when it was open. As I said, this was his only bite, and it was when under threat. People cannot really expect that a dog taking its own decision in a PP situation like that will only bite in the 'right' places like a sport dog; so to actively WANT a dog that is (supposedly) capable of such behaviour takes a certain personality-type, I think. Like I said, when it IS 'real', it is startlingly messy; NOT the same as sympathizing with bruises on a helper/decoy.

Actually this was generally one of the better dogs, temperamentally, that I have ever known (among the 100 or so [from various bloodlines] that I have lived and worked around in the 5 decades since then.)

' Shawni: "I've posted more vids than anybody else" ' should be reminded that it is one of the grand things about PDB that you can look back at any user's posting history ! I suggest readers do that, and see how the newbie questions about keeping his pup's focus, one year ago, have matured into the self-proclaimed 'expert' he is today. And check his claims about the amount of vid he's posted. Then you can judge for yourselves whether his remark ^ about me and my imitation GSDs has any validity.

Erbe, I think you are looking at the whole thing from a sport perspective, if your sister got bit by a chained dog, she came to close, period, that dog was not there to do a nice bark and hold

also where or what a dog bites has nothing to do with confidence, a non sport trained dog that will bite for any other reason than a game of tug will not give a ## where he will bite you

Hundmutter, why do you think I am so big about temperament. I hate when people talk about shredding faces and mauling hands like it's nothing.

Who said, its like nothing, beside you.

 

I said I don't want to see a decoy that comfortable when training my dog, I want the decoy to know if he messes up he is in real danger like exposing yr hands and face without a care. Just like boxing training, elbows come off yr ribcage or you stick yr chin out don't blame the other guy for putting you in a lot of pain.

Has nothing to do with a clear head, it has more to do with bitework just being a big game of tug where as far as the dog is concerned you could replace the decoy with a big stuffed toy and get the same picture.

What you like is what you like, doesn't mean you dictate what others have to like.

From above post " What you like is what you like, doesn't mean you dictate what others have to like." and vice versa? And you will remember that when others post their, American line GSD, Showline GSD and pet GSD? Now if only all members would abide by that sentence we would have a much happier, agreeable site!!

I agree.

It was beginning to feel that just because both myself and VK posted sentences discussing situations where a dog/s took a chunk out of the wrong bit of human WITHOUT IMMEDIATELY adding something on the lines of: "That isn't to be accepted", we were being castigated as RECOMMENDING that 'line of attack'. What I have been trying to point
out, BE, & not just for you, is that there are people reading and posting who, probably in total ignorance of having witnessed this sort of biting, tend to advocate it as A GOOD THING in looking for a dog. Can I say, mrdarcy, that I think such people are very mistaken ?