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by amysue on 20 April 2009 - 00:04

Sueincc made a great comment.  We cannot see what is going on.  If you watch a submissive dog getting bullied by another dog, it sometimes puts it's ears back, has a more whine than growl, and does half-hearted snaps.  If your dog is in fact being dominant and fighting back for being corrected at 8 weeks of age, you best be prepared to never let this dog think it's in control or that you are scared of it.  Socialize it a lot, if down the road you find it is too much for you to handle, you will want to insure it doesn't have stranger issues as it'll be far harder to rehome to a qualified home then.  Best of luck.


by jdh on 20 April 2009 - 01:04

Many good posts!

I just want to reiterate: The pup MUST believe that you will END his existence if he challenges you or shows aggression to you. With such a small pup this is mostly about attitude and acting, but just as in nature, he will get the idea of what his limits are. Jonah


Jamille

by Jamille on 20 April 2009 - 02:04

A ton of Great responses from all. 

It is unfortunate that he did not get to be raised with other puppies for 2-3 more weeks.    He has missed out on crucial Social Dynamics and learning experiences.  When one puppy starts to dominate(Bite) or play (Bite) with another many things can happen.  Puppy 1 is too mean and makes puppy 2 scream.  IF Puppy 1 doesn't quit Puppy 2 will eventually Bite back, possibly making Puppy 1 scream.  Maybe Puppy 1 gets the point and quits biting.  Or Maybe Puppy 1 gets pissy and starts to bite again, and Puppy 2 now gets Pissy and starts to bite and growl.  Eventually there is some type of compromise between them, even if it is only short term.   

Puppy 1 could be showing Dominance or aggression for many reasons.  Possibly, he feels insecure and decides that being Pro-active is a better defense.  Or He is confident, and feels that he will make known his position.  Or, He only decides to show his dominance when he feels that he has been challenged.  Regardless of why Puppy 1 is showing Dominance is not so important, as to how he is taught it is not acceptable behavior.   What is important is what is he learning from the interaction. 

He could learn:  WoW, I show my teeth and growl and they back away, I knew it I am the boss.  Or he could learn :  " HOlY Shit "  when I show my teeth and growl the world as I know it ends, and I am surely going to die now.  For about 3 seconds.

There are too many people that just don't understand the importance of Puppies getting to rough house with their littermates.  It doesn't really matter which parent he may or may not be getting it from. 

Like said before , with out really seeing it first hand it is difficult to give advice. 

But, regardless of why he is doing it,  He still shouldn't be doing it.  Therefore,  a consequence for his response to your correction has to be severe enough to make it be known to him, that was the wrong answer little man. 

And, I would mock an interaction that he missed with a littermate.  ex... 

YOu correct him,  he bites, and snaps,   YOU screach  OUCH !!  Then , immediately change your tone to a firm "NO" or " Fooey "  or what ever your word is, and increase the intesity of your correction until you have surpassed his temper.  I personally would grab the side of the neck/Ruff,and put him down on his side, and do it repeatedly until he stays there by himself.  You do not tell him any commands like stay, because this is not obedience , it is  "PHYSCOLOGY".   Then you can walk away first and leave him.  Or you can give him a free command, but do not praise.

Put out the spark , before it becomes a Flame. 

Good luck !  ;)


wuzzup

by wuzzup on 20 April 2009 - 03:04

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by olskoolgsds on 20 April 2009 - 03:04

Wendypants,

Two things come to mind.  Yes, you got him too young.  He did not have an opportunity to learn pecking order and appropriate behavior from mom.  He thinks he is the boss and you are probably tooooooo nice to let him know otherwise.  Establish yourself,  grab him and toss him on his back and hold him there until he cries in submission everytime he thinks his little 8 weeks are man enough to tell you what to do.  If you were someone else, someone that was too harsh with pups, I might give different advice, but for you, I don't think you will be too hard on him.  I would also start doing some forms of training with him that give you control.  He gets nothing because he demands it, steals it, or bullies it, only when YOU decide he can have it.  You need to be the god of his life.  Good luck


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 20 April 2009 - 04:04

Use one word commands. Dogs don't reason or understand a whole sentence of useless words...use same word each time / No is used to often so pick another negative word for this problem.

 

 You have to correct and if doesnt stop him , you must be harder and stricter...Snatching and grabbing him may not be enough...remember people ,an aggressive pup is not like your ordinary pup. I doubt shaking him or a good slap would kill or hurt him..After all if you dont hurt  him in his correction ,you  just wasted your energy and time . Only if repeated nice corrections do no good.  Then time to get harsher.

If you are not up to harsh correction,,take the dog back or give away to someone who can.

 ONE MORE TIME TO POST THE END OF MY THREAD   THIS IS THREE TIMES POSTED.....IS SOMEONE DELETING PARTS OF MY THREAD.???

Use one word commands. Dogs don't reason or understand a whole sentence of useless words...use same word each time / No is used to often so pick another negative word for this problem.

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 You have to correct and if doesnt stop him , you must be harder and stricter...Snatching and grabbing him may not be enough...remember people ,an aggressive pup is not like your ordinary pup. I doubt shaking him or a good slap would kill or hurt him..After all if you dont hurt  him in his correction ,you  just wasted your energy and time . Only if repeated nice corrections do no good.  Then time to get harsher.

If you are not up to harsh correction,,take the dog back or give away to someone who can.

 


yellowrose of Texas

by yellowrose of Texas on 20 April 2009 - 04:04

I  edited my thread three times , the fourth  I had to go to notebook   and do the all, save and then print on here to get my post back .      WE HAVE  A MAJOR PROBLEM

 

What do you mean use a different browser.. What browser do you think I can find.?? Why should I have to go looking for how to post , when for two years I can post any way and at any time..I have no problems with anything else on my computor...It is not my browser problem   IT IS OLI'S SOFTWARE,,,  PHOTOS WONT DOWNLOAD EITHER

 

NOT FROM MY DAUGHTERS COMPUTOR AND SHE HAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COMPUTOR AND SERVERS.

i DONT KNOW WHAT BROWSER MEANS.

 

 

 


by jayne241 on 20 April 2009 - 04:04

YR I'm sorry, I was just trying to offer a possible helpful suggestion. An awful lot has gone down on the forum over the weekend (emphasis on the word "awful"!) and tension and frustration levels are running high. I certainly didn't mean to add to your frustration.

During the time when the worst of the posting problems were occurring, someone suggested that Firefox (?) either worked better or didn't work. nbspFirefox is a browser. So is Internet Explorer, and Safari. The program you start up to get to the internet. Sometimes if one browser has problems with a specific webpage, a different browser might be ok.

I've seen other folks report problems with photos as well.

I can't imagine anyone would delete your posts. Hopefully it's just glitches still.


by Luvmidog on 20 April 2009 - 04:04

I have Internet Explorer..and it is controlled by me...In other words, BLANK...so I control it not another program. A genius of a computor person told me that is how I need to run it., not it run me.

 

 


by wendypants on 20 April 2009 - 13:04

Thank you all for taking the time to help.  So many good posts.  I think the problem was that I wasn't sure it was a behavior that I had to hammer so I had reservations about how hard to be with him.  Whenever I had to roll him on his back and be the boss, I would only do it for 10 - 15 seconds and was very quick to praise him afterwards.  He's so young and I didn't want to scar him.  I was very firm with him yesterday without worrying about his feelings and he got the message.  Total difference in how he acts now.  Thank you much!  Renae 

 






 


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