i found this in advertisment? whats this supose to mean. - Page 3

Gil

You say these puppies have Kirschental bloodlines, but there is only one Kirschental dog in the 5th generation

A lot of dogs listed in the pedigree as being HD OFA Good that have no ratings on the OFA database
And a long stream of dogs that appear to be a mishmash of everything with no objective evidence they have any merit.

You claim the dogs have working ability. How do you know this? Is this by your own assesment or are your dogs actually working.  If so, what are they doing?

To the OP

Yes, the ad you posted appears to be BYB. Would not know without seeing the pedigrees and working titles or certifications on the dogs but there are enough red flags in the ad to say - probably.................

Gils ad also shows dogs of nondescript origns
 

Well, GIlgarmore, with all due respect, one does good to never ASSUME Kiskental is merely a typo- it could've just as easily been a kennel name that someone may have come up with! I have to ask.  

I'm very aware of Kirschental-I have a Kirschental import and I produced a litter in December sired by another imported Kirschental stud (and kept a bitch pup, Jenna). I love the bloodlines and hold Karl & Marion Fuller in high regard.

And I've been here for a few years, and I am amazed at the amount of typos in non-import peoples' ads. I understand foreign people may write english a little different and that's ok (I've seen "korekt" for 'correct' before).  But if you're from the US and you can't even spell "shepherd" right, ??? That's what I am often referring to. You see that alot. You, Gilgarmore, didn't make this mistake that I am aware of.

I'm with Nancy on your bloodline association-it doesn't make sense to say your pups are Kirschental bloodline...while I realise it's ultimately true from that one ancestor, it's also a little misleading. Why not order the AKC pedigree on both parents of your litter, see if any other bloodlines are there, and provide a little more accurate presentation of this litters' breeding? 

If someone is obviously not a native English speaker, I give some latitude in ads. There are typical mistakes that get made. And typos are always a possibility. But, sometimes kennels do use a misspelling of a famous kennel's name on purpose to confuse buyers. One doesn't always know, so the question had to be asked. In the US, the AKC doesn't care what kennel name you use, as long as it isn't identical to another already AKC registered name.

I too have a WG dog with Eiko in his bloodline on both sides IIRC. I loved Eiko, but he's so far back I have to say "so what?" Mine doesn't qualify as a Kirschental dog by any stretch of the imagination. It's the parents and grandparent and possibly great grandparents that are going to have the most influence on a puppy. A three generation pedigree is what you look at first. Then go back to five generations. Out to seven it's interesting, but only if you are searching for bottlenecks in bloodlines and most of us who like hochtzuchtlinie dogs know what those bottlenecks are already. Look at the titles and  OFA or a stamp certifications in the three generation pedigree first to see what you might be getting in a puppy.

A dog only qualifies as a Kirschental dog if it came from Zwinger Kirschental in Germany. Otherwise it is only accurate to say the dog has Kirschental bloodlines if the sire or dam are Kirschental dogs, or if the pedigree is heavy on Kirschental dogs IMO. Katjo can honestly say that her dogs have Kirschental bloodlines because they do on the sire's side at least.  So, the advertiser should not be advertising Kirschental bloodlines if they are so far back in the puppies' pedigrees. Caveat emptor.

One of my boys I personally own is pink papered import Aragon vom Kirschental, from Zwinger vom Kirschental indeed-breeder Karl Fuller (V1 Sherry vom Kirschental SchH3 HGH x V Zeckie vom Kirschental HGH). So I actually own a Kirschental dog myself, Sam.

My Jenna, whom I produced myself, is sired by pink papered import Eric vom Kirschental from Zwinger vom Kirschental also.  Eric is son to VA Vando v Moorbeck  SchH3 x V Aisch vom Kirschental HGH, bred by Karl Fuller. 

I look forward to when I can pair up Jenna and Aragon for a truly impressive breeding, but that's loooong in the future. Right now we're busy prepping Aragon for titling, and raising Jenna to be the outgoing, happy girl she is.

Thank you, Sam1427-I've never felt the need to promote something as something isn't not. I would not say I haveKirschental bloodlines if it was not truly legitimate.

In the 5th Generation I DO have VA1 Eiko vom Kirschental SchH3 FH also not related to the two mentioned previously--but it's in my imported AKC competition bitch from BULLINGER, who doesn't need a reference to her 5th gen Eiko Kirschental to show her value.  Saying she's a Bullinger dog is more than sufficient.  And this Bullinger bitch is Jenna's MOM. Lol.

I should correct that- Jenna is related to Uzzie because they're mother/daughter.

But Uzzie, being a Bullinger dog, has nothing to do with Kirschental breeding per say, although she has Eiko in her pedigree in the 5th generation. That doesn't make her a "Kirschental bloodline" dog in my opinion. But she's still top notch with lots of ribbons earned in AKC Rally and Obedience competition for doing well, even with no local dog training club to go practice at. She's my darling.

She's got much more  in her pedigree to consider (Ursus Batu, Hillo de Marne La Vallee, etc). Saying she's an Ursus/Hillo granddaughter means more and is more accurate than saying she's got Kirschental bloodlines, even tho both are true statements.
Just a little bit of clarifying.