Conformation opinions, please - Page 3

Handsome boy!! jo

Nitro,  I don't know if he'll throw that big chunky of head of his as he's never been bred yet.  Until he's titled his stud fee is a whopping $0 as I personally think it's bogus for people to charge outrageous prices on unproven (untitled) dogs.  Puppies are always a bit of a crap shoot anyways, so if you'll willing to take the risk of breeding to an untitled male, then load up your female into the truck and come on down.  I won't charge you a dime for your trouble.  LOL

Pia,

" forehand could be more angulated  "

Can you explain this comment to me?  I'm new to conformation lingo.  I get the rear angulation concept, but... forehand???

Do you have pictures to show what is and is not "proper" forehand angulation?  I would love for a chance to learn!

Yvette

This is Buster vom Adelmannsfelderland  this dog is well proportioned  very good  front and rear  angulation ( in my opinion )  his stack is a bit fancy and makes him look a slight bit roached but  this dog is not roached in real life :)

I did not use a conformation dog for this because IMO they are over angulated in the rear .

look at his shoulder placement  and compare that to your boy

Pia,

Hmmm.  Seems like Buster has more of an angle in the lay of the shoulder and upper arm.  Thanks for stacking the pictures side by side - that makes it much easier to see the difference.

Can you explain what the ideal angle should be, and to what advantage?

Yvette

P.S.  Thanks for taking the time to help.  I'm glad I can learn from folks on the board.

Yvette..have told you before very nice male!

shoulder placement allows a dog to reach out further and freer. if a dog is very steep   he can not reach as far.

most will what is called onto the forehand  which gives the dog an apperance as to gait into the ground. Dogs with such proplems do tire much faster   during gait  their structure is not flowing .  Dogs with very little rear and front angulation can not turn  as quick  very much like the Doberman  these straight shoulder  and rear  breeds are fast  but have to take wide turns :)

Again I will emphazize that I do not believe our todays top placing show animals have the correct structure either due to overangulation these dogs are not as agile nor are they really able to run fast  due to  over angulations.  One just needs to observe a dog  running after a ball or helper  the working line dogs can sprint up fast   they are able to run  lower to the gound enabeling them to gain speed   alot of the the show line dogs are  stripped of this  they loap (spelling?)  maybe ganter is the better word . However they are judged  in the gaiting motion  for movement not in a dead run nor for they agility .

alot of dogs are faulted for shoulder placings  so your boy is not a singleton. I got a few of those too :)) and it don't bother me  they work they healthy and they are agile .

Pia

Schbabe...lol   Not at all... Takes courage since you understand the database and the scrutunity you place your dog under to ask for opinions. I have told you before I liked the looks of Chaco and seems most people here agree...