Leon von der Staatsmacht as a Producer ? - Page 3

the mother of trossacs furtune nick produced strong dogs also with any other male she was bred to

Duke, I agree, but the Leon is the one on the thred. ;-)

People always say "do your research." Then someone gets on here and wants to know about bigger named dogs. What do people do? Give the poor guy crap.
1) if someone thinks there offspring of the dog in question is good or bad for 1 reason or another, fine. Let's hear it and we can decide if it's a good reason or not. If it isn't asked he wouldn't know.

2) Asking the owner and breeder of the stud will only get you so far. They really aren't unbiased.

3) videos will only get you so far since I don't know anyone who posts videos of their wash outs.

And let's face it, it's a better topic than all these "fluffies tum tum is upset and her poo poo is green" posts.

Simply amazing some including Stephan want to be a critic,s instead of talking about this male,can this male not stand under the spotlight,is there few things about this male that are worth someones time to talk about,seems like ramgsd always gets it and understands the more you know about any given male the better and Joanro mentioned a dog I think out of this male which was positive input I,m hearing few other positive things,or is this a male mostly known in Europe and not much is known about him ? 

Bundishep, as others have said, what is your reason for asking all these questions about all these dogs? Are you looking to breed, what are your goals, what do you expect to produce, what do you want out of a dog, etc?

If you are simply "window shopping", you are wasting peoples time with all these questions about "what about this dog and what about that dog"? State your goals, than maybe people who KNOW and understand what you are trying to achieve, including "Stefan", will spend the time to answer your specific question. Enjoy your afternoon.

I  had the pleasure of watching a very good seminar in the last few years instructed by a man who had a dog at the top of the IPO totem pole at that time. He said of his own dog to be careful when breeding to this male with females of like drive. He said why he thought this way and it was informative to the people in attendence. He was neither bragging nor promoting about his dog. This is the type of information I really like to hear, I want to thank the experienced breeders- trainers for this type shareing. 

Leon is sold a few years ago to China

Have seen some nice offspring in Belgium and Holland,IPO and KNPV out of different females also have seen Leon training with his first handler in Belgium

Dirk Edler

 

I have owned a Leon he is now  working Special Forces Ireland  very good dog out of this good female

Halix vom Burg Kurzwallen

 

This is  brother same litter owner Frans Hannes

 

 

 

 

 

@ bundi

explain me what you gain with your question. You do not know the people here on this forum and there experience. So who ever would say something could have value or not. How many people by them self say they have a clue, is there proof for there success or do they have a successfull breeding stock. Are the people successfull in sport or le. How do you know that all. 

The only real proof is offspring in the spotlight. If you really want learn something move your body to minnesota and learn about dogs out of this line, but that is to much work.

real people come down here from all over the world, train , watch and learn about these dogs. And if you hurry up you can still see his mom like many other people before. But I know it makes more fun to write and write and write and listen to who ever, do you learn from that? Nope

this is your chance!! And right you can also see Quardes! I believe the only dog in the US with this successfull offspring in breeding and work, no stories, all true and proof able. Did he need 150 studs to achieve that , no , only 25 in Germany!!!

same like Leon with maybe 70 studs. How many dogs have been on the last WUSV out of my dogs. Check it and let me know

To blackm thanks for input and positive productive feedback,Staats... I understand and I agree with some of the points you made and learning from a group that has seen alot over the years  can be a great learning experiance,but not everyone able to fly or be all over the world or even be in Minn.,thoses that live closer to you perhaps,but to think someone cant learn or gain info from the internet is not true at all,is it the best way ? perhaps not, is it one way yes it is, not everyone that visits the site is a bunch of idiots,there are some with much experiance and have very important information share that freely share with others or why would anyone bother to come on the sight if they feel that couldnt learn something or share sometime with others but enough of that, the thread is on Leon and the merits on his production as a stud. 

Why does people come here? For gossip!!

why does no one want to see proof? Besides a few people who show video proof of offspring there is not a lot. I read all time about great producer, great trainer, great dogs and real dogs and sport dogs! See some stacked working dogs and a few pics how a dog is hunting a ball. Great proof of workability.

you know what I noticed, many time people ask here , take it to a other forum and play there smart.