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by Kalibeck on 02 August 2007 - 03:08
Handsome boy!! jo
by SchHBabe on 02 August 2007 - 13:08
Nitro, I don't know if he'll throw that big chunky of head of his as he's never been bred yet. Until he's titled his stud fee is a whopping $0 as I personally think it's bogus for people to charge outrageous prices on unproven (untitled) dogs. Puppies are always a bit of a crap shoot anyways, so if you'll willing to take the risk of breeding to an untitled male, then load up your female into the truck and come on down. I won't charge you a dime for your trouble. LOL
by SchHBabe on 02 August 2007 - 13:08
Pia,
" forehand could be more angulated "
Can you explain this comment to me? I'm new to conformation lingo. I get the rear angulation concept, but... forehand???
Do you have pictures to show what is and is not "proper" forehand angulation? I would love for a chance to learn!
Yvette
by Pia on 03 August 2007 - 03:08
This is Buster vom Adelmannsfelderland this dog is well proportioned very good front and rear angulation ( in my opinion ) his stack is a bit fancy and makes him look a slight bit roached but this dog is not roached in real life :)
I did not use a conformation dog for this because IMO they are over angulated in the rear .
look at his shoulder placement and compare that to your boy
by SchHBabe on 03 August 2007 - 19:08
Pia,
Hmmm. Seems like Buster has more of an angle in the lay of the shoulder and upper arm. Thanks for stacking the pictures side by side - that makes it much easier to see the difference.
Can you explain what the ideal angle should be, and to what advantage?
Yvette
P.S. Thanks for taking the time to help. I'm glad I can learn from folks on the board.
by DesertRangers on 03 August 2007 - 23:08
Yvette..have told you before very nice male!
by Pia on 04 August 2007 - 05:08
shoulder placement allows a dog to reach out further and freer. if a dog is very steep he can not reach as far.
most will what is called onto the forehand which gives the dog an apperance as to gait into the ground. Dogs with such proplems do tire much faster during gait their structure is not flowing . Dogs with very little rear and front angulation can not turn as quick very much like the Doberman these straight shoulder and rear breeds are fast but have to take wide turns :)
Again I will emphazize that I do not believe our todays top placing show animals have the correct structure either due to overangulation these dogs are not as agile nor are they really able to run fast due to over angulations. One just needs to observe a dog running after a ball or helper the working line dogs can sprint up fast they are able to run lower to the gound enabeling them to gain speed alot of the the show line dogs are stripped of this they loap (spelling?) maybe ganter is the better word . However they are judged in the gaiting motion for movement not in a dead run nor for they agility .
alot of dogs are faulted for shoulder placings so your boy is not a singleton. I got a few of those too :)) and it don't bother me they work they healthy and they are agile .
Pia
by SchHBabe on 04 August 2007 - 05:08
by DesertRangers on 04 August 2007 - 17:08
Schbabe...lol Not at all... Takes courage since you understand the database and the scrutunity you place your dog under to ask for opinions. I have told you before I liked the looks of Chaco and seems most people here agree...
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