Bilateral cryptorchid at 5 months and breeder did not notice? - Page 1

is this possible?

Re German Shepherd Dog

I purchased and expensive 5 month old puppy from a 'reputable' breeder.
Stupid me checked teeth and hip score of parents but not his testicles!
took him for a vet check - nothing there - not even the sac!
An ultrasound showled just one high up.

Now this is my problem.
The dog was sold without breeding rights - on a limited pedigree - fine with me as i had no intention of breeding or showing
BUT
surely at FIVE MONTHS the breeder should have known he was 'defective'?

I bred and owned mini schnauzers and could always tell but not having a bigger breed for about 25 years  i very stupidly assumed i was deling with a competent breeder..
am i wrong? could she NOT have known? I thought in GSD the testicles somwewhat descend starting at 2 months...

Is it possible that a reputable breeder didnt know? Not likely.....I am sure you know, even breeding small dogs that the testicles can go up and down. But I'm guessing that the breeder knew this may be an problem and this may be why you got the dog.  I believe that anyone should have ALL the information to make an informed decision for themselves. Your looking at a pricy neuter down the road. How much did you pay for the dog?

Barb

It is more likely that the breeder knew the dog was missing his bits, therefore the dog was sold as non breeding. Culls are typically put on limited registration and sold as pets.  Not having his bits does not make him any less of a fantasic companion.  That said you should have been informed at the time of purchase, the breeder most definately knew the dog didnt have his testes.  Probably didnt think it matter as the dog was going to a pet home.  Hope the breeder chips in for some of neuter cost.

Is Bilateral cryptorchid a genetic issue?  Or is it something that just sometime happens?  (just learning here)

imo yes it is

Yes it is genetic and the surgery for neutering these boys is very costly due to the fact the vet has to go up in there somewhere and get the testical;  so if you found it on ultrasound now, I would have the vet take it now.  They travel around or they can so the longer you wait the harder it can be to find and remove.  And you do not want to leave them there.  Nan

the breeder is saying she did not notice - right!
then she says she had a similar case 5 years ago
even more reason to be vigilant
he is 6 months old now and i will probably operate in April
the breeder offered  me $200 - for a dog i paid $1500 for!
he is a lovely dog and i would not change him for anythiing BUT i feel i was cheated - i had no intention of neutering him - well at least not for now
It is the fact that i really feel i was duped...and i also feel really stupid cos i should have known better - but she seemed really nice etc etc
stupid me!!!

If it were me, I'd get price quotes for the difference in a standard neuter, and the price for the "more involved" neuter, and ask the breeder for that difference, since I have no doubts the breeder had to know about it. But this is just me.

Here in Vegas the cost for a cryptorchid dog is about $600-800. The cost for a regular neuter $250. $150 if you go to the spay neuter clinic.....$200 refund would hardly even cover the surgery.

I will tell you this....some years back when I was researching a dog to buy I asked several breeders if they had ever produced it because I actually had a breeding that produced one pup with it. (I knew when the pup was under 8 weeks that this may be a problem. I kept him to watch and see what happened and even though I could feel them when he was only a few weeks old, they went up and never came back down). ONE breeder stepped up and said that they had. Most buyers will not go back to the breeder and tell them. The problem lies then on breeders making informed decisions to pull certain dogs from the gene pool. I am not defending this breeder in any way as I personally feel she/he knew and kept out that small important fact. Honestly is then truly the best policy so there are no hard feelings. Your problem is that she sold this dog to you on a limited registration. Not alot of recourse.

I would be asking for more than $200 back OR request a replacement. If you really love the dog and can't live without him, then neuter him and give him the best home you can. You can still do all the things you had planned with him. He just wont have his crowned jewels to show off to the world.

Because this is genetic imo, I would like to see the pedigree.

Barb

Find out the cost of the neutering, present it to the breeder and see if you can make an agreement on having it done. Then enjoy your dog.