USCA in Decline, the Pussification of Schutzhund in America - Page 2

I don't kknow what titles you are referring to, but USCA does not accept WDA titles, but WDA does accept USCA ones.

Jim, thanks for this..

Of course, it is much much more convoluted and confusing than just that, you see, you must have a USCA or other acceptable scorebook, which is literally impossible to acquire if you are a member of WDA. I JUST went through all this BS 6 months ago. If you are a WDA member, USCA doesn't want your money or support. Great job with that JA.

Sheesh, USCA accepts stuff that SV judges have awarded and so far every WDA event I've entered or attended has been judged by an SV judge (not a WDA judge).  I SchH titled a dog with a WDA BH and will also be doing a USCA breed survey using a WDA show card but these were both awarded by SV judges and have never been an issue.  My dog has a WDA and AWDF (USCA issued) scorebook and I bring both to trials.  USCA also accepts titles from an RKNA trial as long as the judge is USCA and the owner is a USCA member and these are recorded in the AWDF scorebook.  Also USCA accepts OFAs which are considerably cheaper and less hassle (don't have to send all my paperwork out of the country for several months).

What I don't like about USCA is that it is more expensive to be a member, you have to do that dumb registration thing for breed survey or Sieger Show, and they try to limit what other clubs you can belong to (which is really easy to get around but still annoying).

Then you have somehow slipped between the cracks. I justv tried to find a way to trial in a USCA trial this summer. Maybe because you have both scorebooks. I only have WDA at the moment, but after talking to USCA office, as well as Nathaniel Roque, there wasn't a way for me to maintain WDA membership and trial at USCA trials.

some other intresting thoughts from Mr. Engel. he certainly doesn't pull any punches.

http://www.angelplace.net/usca/

Sheesh, that must be it.  I have a USCA scorebook that I use at USCA trials, but when they need to see proof of the BH I have a photocopy from my WDA scorebook.  The way around it now is that I can have my husband (who co-owns my dogs) become a member of WDA.

Sheesh -

As a WDA member, you will need to send your WDA scorebook to WDA secretary who will transfer it to a GSDCA score book.

You will also have to join GSDCA.

Once this is done, the UScA is supposed to allow you to enter club and regioal trials and the sieger show (SV rules). If you try to enter an event and are not allowed, you'll have to go to the regional director or the prez and have them notify the club that they are in the wrong. if this doesn't work than you will have to contact the WDA who will work it out. This has worked for me.....There's an extra charge for not being UScA, but that's understandable.

This is just on if the reasons so many people are saying "f-ck it"....... Stupid politics!

You can tell it,s a election year again, politcal ax grinding is a wonderful thing. I agree with Jim for about half of his article then he looses me in personnel attacks and coulda woulda shoulda. Yes the test that once made the breed has had the bar lowered and Yes it,s in direct corrolation of the over angulation pretty dog movement. No other excuse can be truley accepted if your honest to your self and breed. But where Jim forgot to lay fault is at the feet of the breeders and trainers of the club levels. Every thing starts from the ground up If you want to make a serious change to the breed it starts in the mass membership.

In actuallity the Johanness Amendment mainly effected the upper trainers who were using this breed as a money making tool( Many of Jims friends that he railed about in his colum)  the ammendment makes it more difficult for trainners to bring in dogs to pay for train and titles and cut there availabilty to titleing events. If the WDA were the advancing power house Jim implies would they of not been able to just have more trials for those that were put out of reach?. In truth the WDA is the red headed step child of the GSDCA a orginization that is truley only intrested in the show line german shepherd and politcal gain.

Some of the nay sayers of USCA will tell you that the current administration is trying to push away the other breeds which helped found USCA, but, The USCA orginization is the only orginization that (I believe at this time)  claims to be for the betterment of the GSD breed and still holds a all breed working dog Championship Trial. Does the GSDCA ? Does the GSDCA WDA?.

I don,t agree with many of the decisions that the higherarchy of USCA has made over the years. But I support the orginization as a hole. 

The trainner is responsible for the trainng of there dogs,what there exposed to and how they are worked. The breeder is responsible for what the genetics of the dogs are going to be used for and what is bred. Foundation Foundation Foundation!.

We can have these debates strongly and forcefully with out all the name calling and personel attacks and we might just get some where.

At the upcoming election I also believe Jim and Frank represent a good honest change of the gaurd. I believe it is time for that change. And time for the reassurgence of the Working Germand Shepherd Dog what the breed was created for.


                                                                                                                                     Bob McKown