crytorchidism-Heavy line bred dogs? - Page 1

I have a GSD 8 months old who has crytorchidism. After reading for many hours on this Genetic flaw, I discovered that this is for sure Genetic and is caused by heavy line breeding. I have questioned the breeder and who states it is a myth and don't neuter because he can still breed. During some heated emails back and fourth and this persons lack of understanding, I decided to get a now fifth opinion and contacted Cornell Univ. Still I can't & won't be able to convince this person otherwise. Now I will not send him back to this breeder like they want me to for a refund due to the bond and the love for him. I Might add that this is not my first GSD and I am very aware of the breed confirmation and was a k-9 officer for a few yrs. Put yourself in my shoes and give me your opinion on how to handle it. Oh by the way I paid for showline and the right to breed and there statement was to have and implant and using him for stud down the road will be ok. The

Do you have a written contract that states you purchased this dog as a show and breeding quality animal? One or more undescended testicles makes the dog ineligible to be shown, and for them to suggest you have an implant placed in the scrotum is a violation of AKC rules, and if you can document that they instructed you to do this they could lose their AKC privilages (registration of litters and dogs, the right to show dogs in any AKC event, and so forth). Yes, the dog will probably be fertile, but he will also be passing along the trait as well, so I applaud your ethics in refusing to consider using the dog for breeding. While I am loathe to defend this breeder for any reason what so ever, I must point out that while the trait is genetic in origin, it's incorrect to lay the blame entirely on whether or not the dog was line-bred. The trait exists in virtually all mammals, and no one line of dogs has the market cornered on the problem. Even if they carefully researched what was behind the sire and the dam of your dog, it's difficult to predict whether or not such traits will occur in any given litter, or any given pup. If you don't have a written contract, chances are you're out of luck as far as that goes, but you might get some aid from the AKC if you can prove that they instructed you to cheat by using a prosthetic testicle implant. Good luck, and hopefully your dog has a long, happy, healthy life with you. BTW, neutering him IS the best choice from a health standpoint--the risk of the retained testicle becoming cancerous is significant enough to warrant the surgical sterilization and removal of the retained gonad.

I had an Army buddy with three testicles and another buddy with 1 testicle. Neither was line bred. Maybe that is a poor anology, but just putting in my 2 cents. The point I would like to address is your not wanting to return the dog, because of your bond to him(Now I will not send him back to this breeder like they want me to for a refund due to the bond and the love for him). Contracts concerning dogs usually don't have a "bond clause". If you have a contract that protects you, i.e., returning the dog for your money back. That is what you have. That is your protection. Should you not want to return the dog because you have bonded with it, that is a "personal problem". You are letting your emotions make decisions for you(and I am not saying this is wrong). If by way of your contract, the breeder wants to make restitution and make things right, you should allow him to do so. If you now love your animal, and want to keep it, don't get on the breeder's back, because you do not have what you want. This is not a perfect world, but you did ask for opinions. This is just my opinion.

line breeding can only build on what is already in the lines. if they have problems, line breeding will make them more common. if its not in the lines, line breeding can't bring it to them.

Hi everybody, i do understand your dissappointment. As far as i know the problem is a genetic defect. It can only occure if the defect is settled in both parents sides. Now, the thing is to find out which side has the defect to begin with. If you are able to determen that it is the dam, then you need to find a sire line that does not have that problem at least7-8 generations back. Main problem : How are you going to find that out ?? Well, a lot of research to start and a whole bunch of luck. If a breeder finds out that his dam has that problem, he probably stops breeding her. A friend of mine has this problem with his dam, and he researched for over half a year and thinks that he found a sire that has not this problem. He will try it one more time to see what the outcome will be. But then again, idont know at what age your dog was when you purchased him. One of the first things i check is : Are both testicles there ? Dont take anybodys word, saying....oh it will come !! It can come down till the dog is about 18 month, but like i said, it CAN or CANNOT !!! As far as i understood, the breeder stands up to the contract that you both agreed up on. On top of it he spayed his dam, so this problem is solved. That he gave you that kind of silly advice (i.e. still going to shows, putting in implants)9is something i do not understand. My feeling is that he knows what is going on, just does not wat to admit to it. Hope that i was able to get my point across.

It sounds like this dog has a very good home. I said that I would check before I buy just because thats what my vet said to me as well, but next time I don't want to take the chance of waiting for them to drop. I too became too attached to my dog by the time I knew they wouldn't. Take Care, Melanie

I see 2 issues. One with being the breeder telling you to implant. That I would report to AKC since it's against regulations. 2nd issue is what is reported in the contract. Either you return the dog or you don't I think were your options. If you choose not to return the dog, sorry, no refund or exchange if my interpretation is correct from above. As for genetic, yes, due to linebreeding no. I've seen outcrosses with absolutely no linebreeding produce it. So has nothing to do with linebreeding.