Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 5

Also Hans, you might be capable and responsible enough to own and handle a dog who hates the world and will bite anyone at any time with no control...you will know the dogs limitations around strangers and not put them in risky situations. But most people are NOT (and may live in an urban environment), and I believe it is best not to encourage someone to go down that path over the internet.

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Looking to develop her as a PPD. Will post a vid before end of week.

Well looks like you won't have a problem.  You got one. Get some ob and control...and then build confidence and as hans suggested she should do a fair amount of chasing the decoy to build prey. And if possible do some of the things BW and Q suggested.  I hope your IPO helper has experience with defense heavy PPD's because it is not the same.

@Mithuna   Is your helper one of these guys?

@gsdfan You know the dog that you call it : dog who hates the world and will bite anyone at any time with no control?

Do I know the dog? No.... but by the OP's description in her second post on page 2 describing her unsocial dog and first bitework session ie. "Only 3 persons ( my family ) can approach this dog".. and Hexe and Sunsilvers comments I deduced that summary.

Here is the thing. The person who has any dog needs to train it. Trained dog doing correctly pp is   always safer then same dog which is not trained. The major part  of the training is to train the owner of the dpg  to handler such dog. 

 Big part of  at least my training is to teach the dog to defuse and accept people. Defensive dog is not dog who hates world. that is a misguided ignorant perception of sport people and trainers who build dog strictly on prey. The solid dog must be able to work with their prey and defense drive. Best IMO is dog 50:50 prey defense :prey. But reality is that every dog is more prey or more defense. To discard the dog for one or another reason  is  not necessary and only one track trainers do such thing.  

I would encourage Mithuna to learn as much as possible. Ask and Listen to "thousand" of people and then make up your mind. If the dog is not social then learn to handle it  so that  it does not hurt people who do not deserve that. Remember big part of the training is Control, defusing and management/safe handling  of the dog. 

 If you do not know what I mean by defusing then contact me privately or publicly by asking me directly. 

 Never give up your dog and try to  love  it as much as the dog loves you. 

 PP dog same as any weapon needs to be handheld safely. And all dogs can be handheld that way by handler who puts his mind to it.  I will say that PP dogs must be neutral in public . If the dog is out of control then you can not take it with you and his protection training is worthless to you.  

 

@Hans...I don't think anyone suggested she discard the dog. All they said was she should put control and obedience before further bitework training.

I agree balance of prey/defense is 50/50 ...some prefer a slight deviation one way or the other and nothing is wrong with that.  But by her own description the dog sounds like she is far from 50/50.

SHE said only three people can approach her dog. Which was the reason for my "hate the world comment"...her words...has nothing to do with my "misguided ignorant perception." LOL

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The trainers opinion is that the dog is doing what she is genetically influenced to do: show high defense. He was able to get her to grip and struggle for the puppy sleeve. He commented that she has good prey drive and grips ...but the defense is very close to the surface.
He wants to develop her bite work foundation in prey and later tap into defense.

What we are seeing here is a loss in translation...