Circular Reasoning - Page 4

If god wasxreal shtal wouldn't have to cut and paste the bullshit over and over and over again.

Shtal di you worship the reverend moon as god like your PhD scientists does.

GSDAdmin now I will try to address your post: I will say something that I have said before: the fact is people NOT always convince even by very good argument and people sometimes are convinced by very bad argument, that is what logical fallacy are...bad arguments that people tend to find convincing.
There is a difference between proof and persuasion, just because the argument does not persuasive you by creationist community does not mean not very good argument, it doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with the argument, what it means there is something wrong with you people like you; people are not always completely rational.
You see it is not my job really to persuade people, my job is to give a defense, to make an argument for the Christian world view. If you think about it, creationists and evolutionists really have the same facts: don’t we? We all come to evidence with certain preconception, with certain beliefs about how that evidence should be interpreted.
You see the philosophy that we should come to evidence without philosophy is a self philosophy; it is just a very bad because it is self-refuting. You see your world view is all of your most basic beliefs about reality which is called presuppositions.
Presuppositions you’re most basic beliefs about the universe, about how we know what we know and so forth…

There are rules of interpretation that you assume, outset before any investigation of evidence, before you do any scientific experiment or otherwise, before you do anything my dear GSDAdmin, you already have certain beliefs about how universe works, you are already have certain presuppositions.
For example the belief that your senses basically reliable, you take that for granted, that what you see, taste, touch and smell and so on…really corresponds to actual universe, you couldn’t do experiment on a rock if you don’t already believe that, you look at the rock and say, well just because I see it, doesn’t mean necessary there, so there’s no point doing experiment on it.
You presuppose that your sense basically reliable and that your memory is reliable is presupposition, you believed what you remember is actually happened, right? For the most part…lol…
Now if I asked you how do you know? That your memory is reliable? You would say that’s easy, within just this week VK4 behaved like an jack***
excuse me how do you know that his behavior was unprofessional??
Well just because you remembered doesn’t mean it happened, unless you are already presuppose that your memory is reliable. Good example; Laws of logic are presuppositions, the fact that the law of non-contradiction, you can’t have A and non A at the same time in the same relationship, that is presupposition, you couldn’t begin to reason about things unless you are already took it for granted that there are laws of logic, that’s a presupposition.

And now here is my point; creationists and evolutionists have different sets of presuppositions, different world views, and different rules for interpreting the evidence and that is very important to understand, and I refused to have this conversation with you not because “really” about evidence, but is about how the evidence to be interpreted, and we have different standards by which we interpret the evidence.
Now for the most creationists, the Bible is the ultimate standard by which evidence should be interpreted. I also have secondary standard as well, I do believe that my senses is basically reliable, but that’s not my ultimate standard, because I know my senses could be fooled; if you take a beam of wood for example and put it into a water in the angle and it looks like a wood bends, when goes into the water is the way light reflects, now you don’t believe your eyes in those circumstances – do you? you don’t believe the wood actually bends - just because you see it, because you have a greater standard that solid things stay solid even underwater, under most circumstances; and me myself and I - have greater standards than that…And the Ultimate standard is the Bible, the Bible should be the ultimate standard.

But for you or for the most part evolutionist ultimate standard is naturalism is the ultimate standard. The naturalism is your belief that nature is all that there is - there is nothing beyond natural world, if it can’t be explain by physical processes – it doesn’t exist…You see evidence by itself, however will not resolve world view conflict because your world view tells you what to make of evidence, that’s why evidence by itself not going to resolve anything. You see it’s not that people don’t have enough evidence for creation; Bible tells us everyone has enough evidence for creator God (Romans 1) everybody knows that, but the problem is you and others suppress the truth in unrighteousness and God tells us there is no excuse for that. So it’s not that people don’t have enough evidence, your presuppositions tell you what to make out of that evidence.

And one last thing, that the problem is evolutionist/atheist argue today that if for some reason or somehow I have the same world view as you do, some of you get frustrated as a good example VK4…You believe why I don’t understand that this evidence proves your point, I guess we need to think terms of world views…We can’t argue that our world view is right because the evidence but because our world view tells us how to interpret that evidence and I hope that is clear my dear GSDAdmin.
And here is my conclusion; (Proverbs 1:7) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. If you want to begin know something you got to start with God.
Biblical presuppositions and there is a flipside to this? The fools despise wisdom and instruction. You reject the Biblical God, reject his presuppositions, you reduced to absurdity; foolishness the Bible calls it…Because all the treasure, the wisdom and knowledge is deposited in Christ! (Colossians 2:3) In [Christ] are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. All knowledge is in God, so if you want to know anything it got to be through God; through Biblical presuppositions. You see you do know some things, you do have knowledge! But the truth is, you know in your heart Biblical God and you do rely on Biblical presuppositions when it suits you; you don’t do consistently, but you do rely on Biblical presuppositions - there for you able to know things.
And the other thing ONLY the Bible makes knowledge possible, so the fact that you know things all it does proves that the Bible is true and all it does proves that you are wrong GSDAdmin.

You fail at persuading anyone here, in fact everyone that has enough pity to talk to you has called you a dishonest fraud that just repeats pseudoscience from garbage sources.

Lastly we don't care about your lame cut and paste philosophy. If you had enough intelligence to hold a discussion we would. But you don't, you cut and paste and ignore what is being discussed, because you are scared.

Lastly if you had evidence that your god existed you wouldn't have to hide behind philosophy... you would just show the evidence.

But you have no evidence other than your belief that rev. Moon is god.

Vk4, I don't fit in the box you have currently chosen to occupy regarding moon God, or the one you imagine me in based on the statement you misconstruct because I don’t reply to your nonsense.
Yes my dear vk4, I can see where this thread, the one would be tough for you. You appear to play dumb sometimes when the answer doesn't fit the cookie cutter box you are accustomed to dealing with in this thread and others, and are prone to hastily dismissing anything you lack command of, inhibiting growth.

Its like trying to debate with a sponge ...

Who is using shtals account, Christians should not lie. WTF is this;

" I don't fit in the box you have currently chosen to occupy regarding moon God, "

That is a lot of waffle words, what box do I occupy? What box do you occupy regarding moon god?

Do you follow rev moon, have you ever, do you think rev moon is god.

I'm not playing dumb, yr constant cutting and pasting standard creationist propaganda and ignoring every question is retarded.

All we want is evidence of the god you claim exists, if I want a lesson on science I will go to the actual science literature not some dumb creationist YouTube clip made by frauds and guys with failed science careers.

Now how do you know the bible is the word of god, please don't default to your circular argument of saying the bible isvtrue because the bible says so.

Can't yr gid give you anything that would convince someone who doesn't already believe, seems like a weak god.

First when we met I gave you the evidence here: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=737166-ark

And you said: 

AOK gotcha, thanks for clearing all that evolution nonsense up, what was i thinking, your "proof" makes it all so obvious.

no further need for me to participate on this thread, i need to be out standing on a street corner yelling evolution is wrong, the bible says so.

 

You don't believe in Bible no matter what the evidence my dear vk4.

 

Huh, post 1 is blank.

The ark story is the most impossible, implausible and horrific story of a monster god ever written.

Hardly evidence of anything but how stupid people are to believe such fake nonsense.

How the fuk did 8 people capture, feed, and maintain thousands of "kinds" for a year on a wooden boat.

How is drowning millions of babies evidence of a loving god.

How did noah keep all the thousands of plants, birds, fresh and salt water animals, viruses, bacteria.

Why did Noah keep polio and rotovirus to kill babies for.

How did he build such a boat in the desert surrounded by evil violent humans everywhere.

Did the family all fuk each other to restart the human race?

Why did all other cultures not notice a global flood. Why is there no evidence for a global flood outside of creationist propaganda.


How do you know you have not been deceived by fallen angels.

Why don't you give a straight answer to the rev moon question.

Who writes on your account.

Stop repeating bullshit and some questions for once.

I have no preconceived notions my dear Shtal. I was born and raised a Christian my dear Shtal and in all actuality I started out being brainwashed like you are now, well not quite as extreme. But I had an open mind and am smarter than you might think. I realized that things in the bible didn't add up. It doesn't take a genis to realize the earth and universe are far older than 6,000 years, it doesn't take a genis to realize that dinosaurs are millions of years old, it doesn't take a genis to realize that one man in one spot could not have possibly collected every species of animal, plant and insect to survive the great flood, it doesn't take a genis to realize virgin birth is not possible and many more I could list. You have been brainwashed my dear Shtal. Any religion - pick it my dear Shtal and it was conceived for money, power and control. So, go ahead believe what you want but my dear Shtal but when you are willing to kill for a God you are beyond repair or my time.

My dear shtal, lol.

Shtal...shit al...shit a l....Shit a lot, bull shit a lot...Sir bullshit a lot.

Cracked the code;


shtal = sir bullshitalot.