Adolescent Male - Page 4

Ah, for f's sake.  The thread is in the 'conformation showing' forum, it's three photos of a young dog, along with his age, height and weight.  Seemed obvious that it was nothing more complex or in-depth than an opening for a critique OF THE DOG--period.  Not the owner, not the circumstances surrounding the dog, just for an opinion of the dog from the vantage point of the conformation showring.

THAT'S why I was puzzled by the 'dislikes'--because, foolishly I now see, I was under the impression that those who selected the 'dislike' option were rendering an opinion OF THE DOG.  And did so without having enough courage of conviction, or enough knowledge of the subject, to expand on WHY they 'disliked' the dog.  Such misdirected use of a 'like'/'dislike' function is exactly why I never much cared for the concept.

The rest of the commentary is all off-topic. I still like the dog, and still feel he's developing nicely, especially for such a big fella. He could appear course, with his size, but he doesn't. Just masculine and still immature.

like the dog, and still feel he's developing nicely, especially for such a big fella. He could appear course, with his size, but he doesn't. Just masculine and still immature.





I agree fully! He looks so athletic and fun and I also love the look in his eyes. He sits for some gorgeous photo ops ever since he was so young to.

How quickly facts are forgotten.

Money for show expenses.  Multiple large bags of dog food to feed my dog in the care of this person, despite that not being a part of the agreement.  Flea and tick meds (DE for when she was pregnant and others). Supplements.   Heartworm meds.  A full week of mentoring and housing in my home and free food for this person who had never whelped a litter before, yet expected me to trust her to whelp a very valuable litter from my very valuable female?  I think not.  Written messages proving that this person wanted to raise the litter "for experience only".  Yet more money was demanded and puppies/mom taken at 10 days old, before any "work" was necessary.  Generous Gas money paid for her trips here and back.  Return of security deposit for the puppy to help her out.  Free pick puppy already sold for $2000  Contract signed with clear clause for return of dog to breeder.  Multiple attempts to sell and place the dog, refusal to place the dog with the breeder or with people approved by the breeder (also in the contract).  But, now the judge will decide.  Until the date of the hearing, the option to return the dog is still available - the only way to have the lawsuit dropped.  

anyone else considering placing a dog in this household should think twice, or at least do some research in her methods of training, and above all her methods of caring for her animals.  Multiple crates in a home and minimal exercise/care.  Not a good life for any GSD.  There is a good reason this young dog pictured has a dull coat, poor muscle tone, is "hyper" and "screams in the crate".   I feel so sorry for him,  and for any other young dogs stuck in that place.  I feel terribly guilty for not doing my own research before placing any of my animals in the care of this person.

This is EXACTLY why I purchase a dog with papers, no contract and no binding agreements.... and if I decide to make sausages out of the dog (kidding here) I can do it without someone bitching into my ear... Good luck

Handsome dog. FYI

You said the key word.... Purchase. I bought my first with a contract, paid the breeder well, did my part of everything asked and the contract was not worth toilet paper when it was the breeders turn. I may still do contract, but I would never co own or do some sort of rigged deal. I have high standards how I keep my dogs.

Sad..............

I don't see a dull coat or lack of muscle tone in these photos; if I did, I would have mentioned those points.  I see a dog that appears to be in good health, and is still physically immature as I would expect at this age and with his frame size.

The rest of the discussion doesn't belong in this thread, and as Ibrahim requested, it would be better served in a separate thread devoted to that topic, in an more appropriate forum.

Or better yet, take it private. It takes a lot of nerve to jump Xeph about begging for free dogs when others who accused her here have done the same thing.

Blitzen who here has begged for free dogs? Not me, if that is what you are implying you had best check yourself before leveling that accusation/ rumors my way. I have paid for all but one of my gsds and the free one was because a breeder called me and begged me to take the little nightmare as a replacement puppy to fullfill contract for the puppy I paid 3500 hundred for that did not make the contract standards so she could fly off to Germany without finding someone for her last minute. My deal you broke with a friend was for me to pay for a puppy, Zander, 2200 if I remember correctly was what I agreed to pay.  Ulf was paid  full price to the litter owner, owner of the dam not the friend. I asked friend to let me know if anyone ever bred to her two males to put me in touch with the litter owner so I could purchase, which is what happened. You best be very sure before you ever spread lies about me again and get slammed with proof and egg on your face to go with a libel suit. I do not beg and I always do for myself and stand on my own two feet. 

I guess you could also count Ronaldo as a free dog, however no begging was done as I was contacted since originally I was to buy him when he was six and you went running to people to stir trouble on that as well to stop the sale. Randy decided to keep him and stud him out for several years and I gave him a safe loving home without trying to claim any of his show wins or training as my credits for him to live out his life our companion. Randy has seen him several times since I took him and is more than happy with how it has turned out. 


I am sick of your back stabbing, meddling,  inuendoes, and lies. Many on here have come to know the person I really am from being around me, and have actually commented they were unsure to meet me after hearing your attempts to slander me to them. They have come to their own conclusions. They are the people I concern myself with and the only ones worth being around IMO. Many people here know from personal experience that I am a damn good dog owner and take proper care of my dogs which you told people I was not to get them not to sell pups to me. Just try to publically claim now that people have met me and my dogs at shows and training, the same lies and see where it gets you this time. My dogs have received many compliments from fellow dog people and judges for excellent health, appearance, care and physical conditioning. I offer free grooming to several people helping out where and when I can and eanything else I am needed to the nice people I have been fortunate to meet during Ulf's training. I am saticfied no matter what crap you stir this go round that the people that matter now know me well enough in person to judge for themselves and anyone that listens to you without that knowledge does not deserve me as a friend.

Can you take this private you have no business deal with this person and any further posts will be deleted. Please read the TOS. If you feel the need to tell me I am wrong please also take that private.