Thoughts on KNPV PH1 Ody - Page 3

Bavarian Wagon as Duke said. 

If you have nothing better than bashing to add go away.

 

 

Why? Because BW said the truth? He's not bashing whatsoever. He simply stated a fact!

I would have to agree with Bw if this was ipo the handler the dog would b on the receiving end of a lot of negative criticism I don't see anything wrong with what was said

That dog has def lost some fights with the handler lol it can be fixed .. no issues here

Strong dog? Wrong training?

The dog was afraid of the judge, who was walking fast, almost running to the helper, trying to help, the sheet in front of him. Definitively no trained routine for the dog, may have looked for him like an attempt from a second person. ( I guess someone used to run towards the dog, maybe even throwing something, whenever he didn´t out in training ).

The "out" afterwards showed his confusion ( looked really bad ), he was still very insecure, but learned pretty fast, that the judge is no threat, afterwards no problems.

That said - if the handler would have known this outcome, he would have trained this scenario 2 or 3 times, and we would have never seen it.

I´d say not the strongest nerves, and in this special case combined with wrong training - a lot of high drive dogs are a little "nervy", but you will become aware of it only in case something unforseeable happens.

Lol...where did I say anything negative or bash anyone? I just stated how it's interesting that the people on this forum clearly know and understand that even in the other sport disciplines there are dogs that get higher points and pass titles that aren’t top level working dogs or capable of real work. Yet it seems like on this forum, IPO is the only sport that gets that kind of criticism and up until now I’ve never heard anyone say anything like that about KNPV and KNPV titled dogs. Here we have a dog at the national level of KNPV, meaning that it has already achieved a PH1 or whatever at a different level, and on top of that it received it with a very good score. Yet when something happened…the dog clearly showed questionable nerves.

If this were an IPO dog…it would be hung. Yet since it’s KNPV and people don’t want to believe that lesser dogs get titled in that discipline…the ONLY possible explanation for the dog’s reaction is training error. Here’s the funny thing about training error…a truly strong dog, wouldn’t be running away from a “secondary handler coming to correct it” if that’s truly the case. If the dog lets go and runs that far away due to fear of a correction…it’s not a strong dog.

Welcome to dog training...no matter the sport, capable trainers can make fantastic things happen.

Bavaria , u can have a really strong dog whose handler sensitive due really hard corrections early on , I've seen them
And owned them , ive had a dog who I hung up by the prong collar and watched it gasp for air cause of handler aggression , after a while the dog may or may not accept it ..but that doesn't mean he won't be a stud on the field or street .. the dog mistook the judge for the handler

Lol...shawnicus...I know you can have all sorts of things happen. That's my point. If this were an IPO scenario...the dog would 100% be a weak nervebag, no one would ever mention that it might've been worried about a correction that happens in trianing. Since this is KNPV...every reason in the book is stated EXCEPT for weak nervebag. The opinions are HEAVILY SUBJECTIVE based on the sport that is being done. It has nothing to do with the dog, it's just the belief and the necessity to keep up the idea that ALL KNPV dogs are god's gifts and IPO dogs are garbage.

 

For example...I know one member of this forum in particular, had called a dog that took a helper down at the WUSV a terrible dog because the helper slipped the sleeve and so the dog took it and was recalled to the handler. The dog was garbage because he didn't spit the sleeve and come back at the helper or whatever. The dog later went on to win the WUSV the following year. In that scenario, the dog didn't nerve out, the dog took the helper down and was going to continue the routine but the helper wasn't able to keep going. In this scenario, the dog clearly had a nervy reaction, let go, and was about to run...yet the dog isn't garbage and people are grasping for straws to have any reason that the amazing KNPV dog reacted in a way that is clearly nervy.

Bavarian, you are clearly a little frustrated, I said before that to KNPV is just another sport and dogs are trained/shaped into a never changing routine just like IPO

 

However, the OP asked this question;  weak nerves or did the dog expect an ass whooping

looking at the video, the dog clearly expects an ass whooping, or electric stick coming to him, so thats my answer

 

the question was not about IPO, the video was not about IPO, you dragged your personal frustration into this topic, it is what it is 

I don't think frustration means what you think it means. It makes zero sense the way you're trying to use it. I would appreciate if the next time you decide to personally attack me, do it in a way that I can actually understand it and it makes sense.