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Hundmutter:"Point being, Mindhunt, that you CAN see the examples you prefer. I don't think Hans sees anything that isn't inside his own head. He is certainly incapable of acknowledging different views and different circumstances when addressing other posters here !"

Hans:"lol Oh I see and certainly am capable and do acknowledge different views. . But based on my knowledge of history and personal experience just do not agree with some of them. I know that it is not PC but I call BS a BS and that is what makes many uncomfortable since their existence strives on BS of dependence of one group of people on another and thus they live of BS and many - lets call them useful idiots - or to be more PC ( LOL) useful naive, are supporting such BS because they do not know any better. That is the the reason for their supporting such dependency on nanny state who then usurps more and more power for itself during cheering of useful idiots of pussy generation  dependent on  such government to provide for them their "needs" which they are able but not willing to provide for them selves.  It is sad but unfortunate more and more that such people are more and more in majority. So called Tytler’s theory ( who ever Tytler was is disputed) set forth a cycle that every democracy goes through, which goes like this. Tytler said the cycle starts out with a society in bondage. Then it goes in this sequence:

Bondage

Spiritual Faith

Courage

Liberty

Abundance

Selfishness

Complacency

Apathy

Dependence
Then starting over with Bondage Tytler organized these items in a circle:

In my opinion the today  pussy genration is    somehwere past  apathy  and approaching  dependence   and heading for bondage by voting for people like Hillary. 

 There is nothing we can do about it. I am just   observer of the inevitable train wreck   which is impossible to stop. 

 

 

Hans I really cannot accept that you truly listen to the views of others;  when you state as if you KNOW it so you must be right that Mrs Kahn did not speak BECAUSE she is a Muslim and "they do not speak"; when you deny that I could have heard liberal Muslim women speaking about their religion and their view that the silence of women is not necessary UNDER ISLAM, and then say, effectively, "well - they cannot be 'true/real' Muslims, then". When you tell ME I must only surround myself with, and therefore only listen to the views  of, other atheists like myself, and go on maintaining that, until I have to ACTUALLY GIVE A POTTED HISTORY of my life that proves you WRONG (and incidentally by so doing 'justify' myself to a degree which should be unnecessary on a forum like this, as no doubt the Admins will tell you) and then you don't apologise for disbelieving me, you just go silent on that assertion...what else CAN we believe of you, but that you only listen to yourself ???

Your Tytler cycle has f*ck-all to do with that.

Prager, are you saying that anyone on SNAP using welfare or food stamps is a pussy only asking for more handouts?  You do realize that SNAP started in 1939 and then President Roosevelt felt it was necessary so that no family was ever hungry or without housing.  It was reintroduced by then President Kennedy in 1961 again so no adult or child was homeless and hungry.  It was based on the premise that people want to work, but if there are no jobs, the person and their family should not be penalized.  1964 President Johnson also was for the idea and promoted it passing additional words to the Food Stamp Act.  1988-1990 was a food crisis for many low income families so it was expanded.  

Mindhunt. I am not against helping people who truly need it if done on voluntary basis.  That is different from keeping generations of minorities in position of need of support by government so that such people then vote for the party who is giving them handouts. This IMO is total disgrace. 

Prager, the reason so many are consistently in poverty is in part the ridiculous incarceration rates for minorities.  The drug laws were written specifically to target minorities (1 gram of crack cocaine is equivalent to 100 grams of cocaine, in other words what poor minorities use vs rich or middle class white people).  The incarcerated who get out still have huge legal fees and fines to pay such as their public defender, their time in prison, the food, clothing, health care, etc.  You can research it.  Bail is usually higher for minorities than for whites for the same crime.  Minority and vulnerable children are targeted in schools by undercover officers.   Minority mothers and single poor white mothers are targeted.  Face it, we have created our own problems by these stupid disparate treatments and mandatory sentencing.

LOL@ Tytler Cycle. I wonder how many democracies Tytler used to come up with that theory? He did die in the early part of the 19th century so he didn't have many democracies to base it on. The truth is he never came up with that theory.

Also LOL@ the theory that democrats want to keep many blacks poor and give them handouts in order to get their votes. This ignores the fact that there are more poor white people than poor black people. More white people receive welfare and food stamps than black people. So are democrats trying to get the poor white vote as well? Why aren't they succeeding?

IMO, the problem in the inner cities is a culture that was created in an environment that was the result of racism. You can remove all of the racist barriers and forces that created the inner cities but the culture remains. A republican policy that is essentially a continuing process of marginalization is not the answer.

There is more white people period. And Again your false argument. Just because there are many poor white people does not mean that
a/ dems are not doing this to minorities.
b/ dems are not doing this to all poor people - as they do. And yes unfortunately they are succeeding.

As far as Tytler cycle goes I have said : " So called Tytler’s theory " I am not stuck on who it said. Obviously Tytler did not said it . yet it is true.

Minndhund . personally I think that reason why there is more blacks in prison is beacuse decay of traditional family values in black culture. Here I have heard this guy on the radio here in AZ so I use his point of view. 

Tucson conservative talk radio show host James T. Harris hit the national stage Monday evening following the weekend release of a controversial Facebook Live video he created after hearing about violence and unrest in an area of Milwaukee where he spent many years working and raising a family.

In the video, Harris laments the lack of traditional family values and father-figures in the lives of today's black youth and blames, among other causes, governmental subsidies for the destruction of the moral fabric of black families in America -- and Milwaukee -- today.

 

Mr. Harris also expressed concerns over whether or not the media is representing all of the people and stated that 'liberal policies' subsidize and encourage fatherless families.  That is my point!!!"The end result is, you have children who don't have values, children who don't respect the rule of law, children who really, don't give a damn," he said. - And  I will add: More of them in prison. 

 http://www.1170kfaq.com/news/tucson-talk-radio-show-host-james-t-harris-rants-about-milwaukee-unrest-in-viral-facebook-video

 

 

The poor white people I know wanted to be just like the poor black folks.

Funny how both groups then, respected the Latin Kings.

The problem for James T. Harris is that he doesn't look deep enough. It isn't the welfare state which creates these issues, it's poverty. Why are there government programs? To address poverty or to break up families? The rates of unmarried mothers has always been higher among blacks vs whites. The rates of unwed mothers went up drastically in 80s, the Reagan years (and its drastic cuts in food stamps), and has remained steady since Clinton was president. It should be noted that the rates of unwed mothers has also steadily risen among whites.

Sweden has a higher rate of births outside of marriage than the US, I believe, and it also has a lot of socialist policies but, it doesn't have the issues that the ghettos in the US have. Why? It doesn't have the poverty (or a group of people that was continuously marginalized for centuries) we have. The issues in poor black communities go far beyond welfare. These problems have roots that predate welfare.

Wrong Prager. Yes, there are more white people period but your thesis was that government handouts = votes for dems but the white people who get handouts don't vote for dems at the same rate poor blacks do so your argument is wrong. Blacks don't vote for republicans because it is the party that the racist democrats migrated to, among other reasons.

You also misuse the word true. The Tytler Cycle is not true. It's not even based on truth as Tytler never said any of it. So how can a theory which is attributed to someone who never came up with it or even said the things it's based on actually exist, let alone be true? You may believe that the cycle attributed to him reveals some truth but it does not as it speaks of the future, something which has not happened, something which does not exist, something which is not true. The only "democracies" from the past that could be used to try and prove that the cycle is based on historical fact would be Ancient Athens and Rome and their rise and fall does not follow that cycle.