RECALL PROBLEMS - Page 3

this boils down to a religious war;

 

1. building possession in your dog like that is the point of it's existence

 

2. possession is poison

 

there are world class trainers and dogs in both camps.

 

i never figured if your dog is naturally possessive you should apply religion 2 or if your dog is not apply religion 1, i suspect the reality is complex.

Vk4gsd,

I agree the solution is complex.  Minor tweaks or different techniques make for different results with different dogs.  I  really  encourage the handlers to avoid the idea of war or conflict. The dog Is trying to find max reward,he's not trying to fight.  Handlers job is to find a way to increase the fun with their dog so that the dog wants to bring the object to them so that they can have more fun together.  Work on building team and joy together. Avoid pressure or conflict over this issue.we do want the dogs to be possessive, don't go to war over a positive behavior.  Shape it to include you

Does this dog understand the "Here" command, has it been taught it properly?
If it has, then correct it for not obeying because it is then an obedience exercise and the dog is not listening.
All this " play ball, jump up and down, scream like a girl" is BS when you actually need to make your dog respond to you NOW.
I guarantee you that there will come a time in your life when what you have in your hand or how loud you scream wont be as important as the distraction your dog will see across a 6 lane highway. ..you figure out the rest.

Compulsion is mandatory in real world scenarios....all the begging and pleading and bribing only works when the dog is willing to play your game, until something interesting shows up. As a dear friend of mine used to say; "Here!" means "Here!"

My comment here is meant to directly address the OP's question about what to do when he and his dog are having "relaxation" or play time at the fairgrounds and he wants to get his dog back to him but the dog is giving him the "yeah right" look and going the other way. Try telling him to "platz" and have him down where he is and  you, the handler, approach him.  Reward him when you get to him, even play a little more with an extra ball, reel him into you and snap the leash on.  Although my dog has a great recall on the Schutzhund field during training, I find he responds better to an immediate platz command when out and about our parks and neighborhoods, whether he is 5 feet, 10 feet, or 20 feet away from me and other distractions suddenly pop up like the time a swarm of bees flew right over us.  The platz command was a lifesaver that day.

"Keith, I am in Northwest Indiana"

Perfect.  Our club, O.G. Landshark, trains right down the road from you in Zionsville, IN.  Come down and join us any time!  You and the dog will both have fun and it's a lot easier to show you what we're all talking about than to explain it on here.

We typically train around 1:00 pm on Saturday.  Only date blacked out right now is the weekend of the 14th and 15th of this month as several club members are doing a protection work demo that weekend and will be out of town.

Bill2712, you are actually discussing two different problems.  The first one is the sport recall and the possivness over the ball.  The tips given here will help with that and offer time they will help with the recall in general.  What you are talking about as far as the dog coming to you when you are hanging out is a different Problem.  This is an act of open defiance. To fix this is different and needs to be carefully thought. Out for a plan of action before you take the first step. I would use a different command than the here I use for the sport. I.e. I use come.  Then there has to be a program in place to teach consequences for ignoring you. You must make sure that the consequences don't hurt your team building though and must be clear to the dog what their for so he doesn't think or wonder that every time you call him he's going to get a correction.  O.g. handshake does have the necessary experience to help you with that and I'd recommend going there.

"O.g. handshake does have the necessary experience to help you with that and I'd recommend going there."

LOL!  Auto-correct strikes again!

Oh Crap!  Missed that.  Sorry.  But it is pretty dang funny.

 

 

BZCZ: "Bill2712, you are actually discussing two different problems." - That´s more than true...

It´s amazing how fast dogs are able to anticipate pleasant/unpleasant - comfortable/uncomfortable.
That said your dog knows exactly what´s fun and what´s not.
As a result during first steps you have to be smarter than your dog - in your case your dog learned: Coming back means stopping the game and going home. Try to be smarter: recall/game - recall/game - recall/going home - recall/game on the way home ... and so on.

Once the recall is learned behavior it´s part of obedience=the dog has to listen ( totally different )
Good advice is to join "O.G. Handshake" - they should be able to help.

Good luck!