DH title? - Page 2

Thanks susie, you always come thorough on rules clarifications.  Is there anyway to earn it in the USA?

Just got an answer back from the SV on this.  I did send them a lot of questions and surprisingly they answered this one first.

They said none of the DH titles count for a breed survey.  I wonder if that is a recent change in the rules, because they did not quote any specific rules reference.  Also here is another part of their answer: 

"exams can only be performed by the respective authority and organization such as police departments, the military sections where dogs are employed, and other administrative bodies. These organizations provide for their own regulations which are subject to either their discretion or to local law and other legal requirements. Since there is such a variety of organizations and thus exam regulations we regret very much having to inform you that we have no access to that sort of comprehensive information"

It sounds to me that anyone or any organization can submit a dog for the DH and the SV will recognize whatever certificate/paper work is sent in without question.  So in the USA, can all those various police dog certifications that are currently being offered, just start add the words "Diensthund (DH)" to the paperwork and then be able to add it, as a title, to dogs with SV pedigrees?

It might be a privacy issue in Germany as sevice dog verification is in the US?

That is possible, but they said its not an SV issued title, but is recognized by the SV.  If I were to interpret what was said by the SV, I'd argue that the judge issuing the DH titles then doesn't need SV or FCI recognition either.

Out of the supplemantary provision of the breed survey regulations 2015:

3.1. Für die Hunde
Sterilisierte Hündinnen sind zur Körung nicht
zugelassen.
Bei Diensthunden, die im Eigentum von
diensthundhaltenden Behörden stehen und im
Dienst eingesetzt werden, genügt als Ausbildungskennzeichen
eine der IPO-Prüfung entsprechende
Diensthundprüfung.
Bei Hunden, die nachweislich als Blindenführhunde
im Einsatz sind und über eine bestandene
Blindenhundprüfung verfügen, ist kein
weiteres Ausbildungskennzeichen als Körvoraussetzung
erforderlich.
Eine Zuchtbewertung, die auf einer reinen
VDH-Schau abgelegt wurde, ist auch dann
nicht ausreichend, wenn der abnehmende
Richter SV-Richter ist.
Hunde über 6 Jahre sind von der AD-Prüfung

I´ll try to translate the part about policedogs:

Bei Diensthunden, die im Eigentum von
diensthundhaltenden Behörden stehen und im
Dienst eingesetzt werden, genügt als Ausbildungskennzeichen
eine der IPO-Prüfung entsprechende
Diensthundprüfung.

"For active K9´s, that are property of public authorities using K9s, and that are actively used during commission, an official working title according to the IPO title is enough."

That said not every K9 doing any kind of "work" is a "DH"  !!!     Is this understandable?

I don't disagree with you susie, the answer that came from Cindy did not mention "For active K9´s, that are property of public authorities using K9s, and that are actively used during commission, an official working title according to the IPO title is enough."  That's a pretty important distinction and I don't understand why they just didn't quote the regulation.

After translating 3.1, it does seem that USA based police agencies with dogs "certified" under what ever standard they are currently using can submit these dog for a breed survey, without an IPO title.  Has anyone done this or know of anyone whom has?

"After translating 3.1, it does seem that USA based police agencies with dogs "certified" under what ever standard they are currently using can submit these dog for a breed survey, without an IPO title."

No, not "what ever standard" - a title similar to IPO ( tracking, obedience, protection ).

"exams can only be performed by the respective authority and organization such as police departments, the military sections where dogs are employed, and other administrative bodies. These organizations provide for their own regulations which are subject to either their discretion or to local law and other legal requirements. Since there is such a variety of organizations and thus exam regulations we regret very much having to inform you that we have no access to that sort of comprehensive information"

That´s the explanation, why not all active K9s ( drug, bomb, .....) fulfill the requirements for the SV breed survey.

Momo, in reality, only a few active K9s are able to fulfill these requirements, because a lot of police dogs became specialists during the last 2 decades - it simply doesn´t make sense to train them according to SV.

I think they are talking about Germany only, because they have access to German authorities only, never heard about an active K9 from somewhere else trying to participate in a German breed survey...

There are lots of police dog certification organizations in the USA with trialing/certification events that have an obedience phase, protection phase and detection phase.  No, they are not exactly like IPO1-3, but the SV rules as written, don't say how that would be determined and neither did the SV because they just deferred to the agency applying for the DH title to be added to the dog's pedigree.

Here is NAPWDA's "Police Utility Dog" certification rules

http://www.napwda.com/uploads/bylaws-cert-rules-october-25-2014.pdf

NNDDA has one too:
http://www.nndda.org/add/doc_view/5-police-dog-certification?tmpl=component&format=raw

I'd say someone in the USA with a title like this, should submit the certification to the SV and see if it gets rejected.

what is meant by service dog in usa is not the same in other countries. Is this service dog as in police/military or as in usa a medical assist dog? In countries other than the usa a dog is officially trained and certified to be a medical assistance dog is this what the title is? Clearing up these questions may shed better light on this ADDED the other pages have now loaded and I see this has been discussed

This won´t work - they have to be officially tested in tracking, obedience, and bitework similar to IPO, not one or two parts, but three.
A "service dog" over here is a privately owned dog, working as a therapy dog, like a medical assist dog, or a blind dog.
A dog used by official authorities normally is called "police dog", no matter which venue ( protection, detection...).