RADDOG - training short sleeve R1 - Page 2

My apologies zdog

 

Kim

Kim, I'll have to have video taken of my work.  Not a problem, I'm not shy. And for the record my first national level certification was earned under Herr Ranier Voortman an SV teaching helper. I also earned national level from Ivan Balabanov, Bill Kulla, and Mike  West to name a few.

I just don't have my helper work videod.  Don't see the point in that. 

Zdog is right. It's the one handed catches that are the big problem.   I do like how you can't see that for yourself.

Its the ole "it ain't the tool its how you use it argument". For experienced helpers no problem, but why would they change what already works for them. for inexperienced helpers, like me, the arm out technique looks like a disaster waiting to happen.


in that case it should be called the T-Bone crunch sleeve or the head hunter. in football if we wanted to take a guy out we would tackle like that, its called a coat hanger tackle and highly illegal.


the correct measure to look at is the impulse or change in momentum which can be done by calculating the change in speed or the change in direction or both. its a vector thing and in the vid it don't look good. but all most peeps are gonna see is a high flying dog and a spectacular catch = I'm gonna get me one a dem Delores.

I know several people have mentioned about the possibility of the dog getting hurt on the one armed catches with the short sleeve.... BUT.... what about the helper????  That is ALOT of torque on the shoulder and back for them as well... Just looked at how the dogs are caught... one time the helper goes flying and almost hits the ground from the impact when the sleeve is held out. Then when it is on the arm the helper pivits and is balansed the whole time

Just my .02 cents... And for the record I am NOT a helper, or claim to be one... and frankly will never be one... So this is just my observation.I have, however, been in the sport since 2000

 

EDITED TO ADD: Denni, this is not a knock on you. I love your videos. You do great work and I have enjoyed watching every one of the videos that you have posted. I was just commenting on my view of how the half sleeve is used.

Another side not... I keep coming back to add something...lol.. I have seen great catches on the half sleeve, full sleeve (from trial sleeve to puppy sleeve), on the full suit and hidden sleeve. I have also seen the flip side and have seen bad catches on all that I have mentioned. My male got injured on a bad catch from a regional level helper. My dog was never the same again... he was young in this picture too... I think 4 years old.

bzcz- thank you, look forward to watching your videos.

If people are concerned about injuries from this sleeve.......let's look at, and compare it to some KNVP videos where the dogs get stuffed in a suit! Run head on into a brick wall so to speak.

A dog can be hurt with a tube if you use it wrong.

Don't get me wrong, because I don't do sport work. At the same time I'm not blind, educate me. Seriously, I'm listening.

Please show me a video that demonstrates (not words) your argument against the video of topic.

Make sense?

Jyl- The picture you posted is a dog getting stuffed (brick wall) did not see that in Deni's video?

 

Kim

bzcz-

Instead of waiting for a video from you, why not just tell us who you are and we can research your work at our leisure.

You can research me easily, you can research Deni easily as well, but we can't research you?

That's not fair is it?  Or is it?

 

Kim

When the helper is not good and he not know technique any the sleeve will not good and safety. Have a nice day :-) 

Kim,

My name is Matt Levin, you can do all the searching you would like.

As far as educate you, the comments are there about the posted video.  The twisting on the dogs neck is there for all to see.  It is not healthy or safe for the dog to have the twisting on their necks. 

If people want to be party to the crime and allow their dog to be injured, nothing I can do about it.  They can injure their dog with use on a bite sleeve, suit, or even a muzzle if it's done wrong.

Denni, this isn't a criticism of you or your training.  Your video shows those one handed catches that are twisting the dogs necks and bodies out of alignment.  It appears in the video that the one handed catch is being one of the selling points of the half sleeve.  Everyone is free to buy/ use whatever equipment they chose to.

People who aren't helpers, rely on helpers to keep their dog safe in the work.  It's part of the responsibility of being a helper.  Using that half sleeve on a one handed catch fails to meet that responsibility and the handlers who aren't helpers need to be made aware of the risks of that catch on their dogs.

JYL, Sorry for your dog getting stuffed on that catch.  A jam like that can injure the discs in the back as well thru compression.

and yes, over the years helper work wears on the helpers body as well.  We get a surgery and move on.  Our choice.  Our dogs don't get a choice. It's our job to look out for them. 

Kim, where would aking for anybody responding here, to show their own videos, change anything you see in the video

this sleeve is  tool, and like any other tool , it can be used and misused , that simple, it is combined pillow/sleeve and CAN be very useful, they are longer available already by Cariz and gappay and I think also HST

 

duke-

That was my point, maybe I did not explain it right.

I have never seen Deni stuff any dog with a sleeve, and any piece of equipment........ if used wrong can injure a dog. I don't see any misuse  or mishandling in the video. We all have our own opinion.

Anyway, for those of you in the U.S. have a Happy 4th of July on Friday and stay safe.

Keep up the great work Deni

 

Kim