muzzle training tonight - Page 2

duke, prey drive can be enhansed with civil training but fight drive is totally genictic!! Fear is bite release and flee.

bama I think there are many different combinations of levels of drives in every dog, and many people call it different names, in my way of looking at it there must be something to trigger the dog to fight, so the fight is a result of something and not a trigger or drive on its own, no dog or animal will start to fight only because he feels like it , there must be a trigger, simply put,  food(prey),sex or survival are the triggers to get an animal in agression or fight  IMO , and the choice between fight or flight will be made based upon possability/situation and level of courage and confidence in the animal/dog

Very nice indeed. Enjoyed watching your videos

duke, there are only 3 THREE drives dogs bite in fear,prey & fight. Not many combinations and a dog with genetic fight drive like the one in this video it only takes an aggressive body lean to make this dog fight. It is not about words & names. Look up PSP selection test for police dogs?? With all respect. bama

Bama i hear a lot of experts refute the existence of fight drive????


Most have moved on to non classical prey...... whatever that means.

Bama , I respectfully  disagree, and there are many combinations

 

dogs with prey, but no agression or no courage

 with prey and agression and no courage

prey, agression and courage

no prey, with agression, no courage

 

etc etc

 

and then preydrive can be split up many ways

I said he is special because he is one years old.  He has a muzzle on for the FIRST time and he is really attempting to bite a man without any equipment in sight. He is not yet aware the muzzle stops him from biting.  He truly believes every time he hits he will actually bite.  He repeats the behavior several times and shows willingness to continue.  Very few dogs (at least that i have seen) will do that especially considering all those other factors.

I see the initial attack as social aggression not prey, the decoy is not making prey movements.  Then maybe fight drive after the initial strike.

To me civil aggression means the dog will bite for real without equipment.

sme boy onthe sleeve

 This is all definition confusion. 

 I see it this way.

Dog bites out of prey or defense.  NOTHING ELSE. 

 Fight drive is ability to deliver fight  to the subject of these drive. People mixing  fight drive with defense is a mistake. 

 Defense enables the dog to defend himself, his social position, his territory and his young ones and food ..... 

Fear is not a drive but emotion which participates in defense drive which goes in this sequence:  

Negative challenge -> fear or suspicion-> overcame by courage  based aggression ( in sound dog or in fear biter the courage is not available.)

Aggression  is a is not defense as it is mistakenly used..  Prey or defense are types of   aggression.

 Drive   is triggered by need in order to satisfy such need. Like sex, hunger ( prey drive, food drive, hunt drive,....), thirst, self preservation( defense drive) .  There are many different views on drive and instincts and arousal and so on. 

 The dog on video is a good dog and there  I agree with Duke that there is no need to get the dog used to a muzzle for a test.  

 There is no way ( for me) to tell from the video if the dog is predominantly in prey or defense. But I would say  that both instincts are involved. 

 Prager Hans