Sending to Germany to be titled - Page 2

hmm...interesting.
I can see (thought dont necessarily agree) how people would want things done faster and want to put in as little effort as possible- that is our society today afterall... But for me its more about the pride of doing it myself...not looking to get it done asap in order to breed and sell and make a quick $

what if the quality of training helpers in the area is very poor. Don't necessarily have to send to Germany but to send away for the help they need seems reasonable.

what if the quality of training helpers in the area is very poor. Don't necessarily have to send to Germany but to send away for the help they need seems reasonable.
  It just depends on one's goals, I guess.  For me, the reason for having GSDs is do to the training and the work together, the title is not just a hoop to jump through.  My favorite dog right now will probably take 4 years just to get his SchH1 title but it's not about just getting the title done.  I am not unfamiliar with a lack of decent helpers or all clubs being too far and/or too expensive.  If all that mattered to me was simply getting the title done then yes I could send the dog away (for a lot cheaper!) rather than move mountains to title him myself.  IMO neither is right or wrong, just different motivations and goals.  I don't breed so I don't need titles and don't have time constraints on how I train and work my dogs.  I have been a founding member of three different dog clubs just based on training this one dog.  No regrets.  In my experience if you start a club with good people committed to their dogs and to the training, helpers will come...

http://www.team-de-nura.com/index2.html did a good job with 2 dogs I know.

http://www.markt-wernberg.de/eng/contact.html also

It just depends on one's goals, I guess.  For me, the reason for having GSDs is do to the training and the work together, the title is not just a hoop to jump through.  My favorite dog right now will probably take 4 years just to get his SchH1 title but it's not about just getting the title done.  I am not unfamiliar with a lack of decent helpers or all clubs being too far and/or too expensive.  If all that mattered to me was simply getting the title done then yes I could send the dog away (for a lot cheaper!) rather than move mountains to title him myself.  IMO neither is right or wrong, just different motivations and goals.  I don't breed so I don't need titles and don't have time constraints on how I train and work my dogs.  I have been a founding member of three different dog clubs just based on training this one dog.  No regrets.  In my experience if you start a club with good people committed to their dogs and to the training, helpers will come...

Yea I have a feeling with the quality of helpers in my area and lack of experience in showlines that it may take me a while to get there with my male as well. While I hope not, but I won't have a fit if thats the case. Its disapointing to have limited availability but I am in it to learn about my dog and his drives and who he is. I am hoping to train him HOT. I am trying to find people in the area who are interested in starting a training group with me. I have a few people who are coming out and training with me and just getting into the sport so I am hoping that will grow.

I may end up having to send a dog out for final triaining and titling simply because I am not sure how much walking I can do once I am recovered from this foot surgery. won't go to Germany but here in the US.

Maybe its a matter of logistics here we travel sometimes 10 12 hours to a trial or more.  In Germany a small village may have 8 or 10 clubs and they train daily Here schutzhund  clubs are still far and few between. Also time its hard to work a full time job 8-10 hours a day and come home and train a dog even if the club is only a few miles away.

There are a lot of great clubs, trainers, and handlers here in the US to send your dog for titling.  So many people have said they have sent their dogs to Germany for titling, only to receive a Schutzhund 3 dog back in a couple of months that doesn't even know what a dumbbell is, how to track, or even how to bite!  With a little patience and research, you can find a great trainer and club here to actually do the work!!

if you're going to breed your dog, train it.  I don't care what your limitations are.  If your limitations are that great, then get somebody else to handle it, but your ass better be there to see it.  Know what you have, and know what you're breeding.

I've seen more than enough dogs go over to Germany for training and come back with titles in hand and the dogs were 100 times worse than before they left.  There is absolutely no way most of those dogs passed any sort of legitimate trial, or even a watered down one.  Money influenced the pen to sign the papers. 

If one doesn't have the time or the means or the physical abilities to train and handle dogs for Schutzhund, that is perfectly fine, but then don't breed and sell dogs for that purpose, don't advertise dogs based on titles that cannot be substantiated (like the "SchH3" dog cannot pass the simple bitework for a Sieger Show or something like that).  Many people work full time and more and find time and money to train at clubs that are 2-3 hours away.  If it is a priority, it can be done.  If it's not a priority, that's totally fine, but then breeders should just be honest.