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Neither the Bible nor the Koran teach that forced conversions are allowed or even valid if done. What Christians and Muslims have done over the centuries is a different matter.

@Noitsyou. If you provided some kind of incontrovertible proof of your assertion, "...but we don't end up playing in the same league.", then it would be that much harder for me to disregard that bit, as completely baseless.

Scientists in general are more likely to be atheists. When you look at the best scientists, the ones who win Nobel Prizes, they are even more likely to be atheists than scientists in general. Now that is not proof but it is evidence that can lead to my conclusion.

Also, religion aside, the idea that we are born on the same playing field is not necessarily true because of genetic differences as well as environmental ones but even if it were it doesn't mean that we all end up being Stephen Hawking.

Such as it is, admittedly by you, "not proof but it is evidence that can lead to my conclusion.", I will then hazard my own opinion that you are wading right into the eddies of confirmation bias.

Your last statement seems to be addressing multiple issues that might be interesting to discuss separately, so as to keep this discussion from conflating to something unrecognizable from the original point: Your defense of superiour intelligence being manifested by its nature, as the atheist mind.
 

No confirmation bias.That would require I started with the belief that atheists are smarter and searched for evidence to back it up. I started with the question, who is smarter?, then looked for any studies which answered that question.

I then looked for any additional evidence and that's where the scientist data came from although I'm not the first to mention it.

It's hard for me to be guilty of confirmation bias for although there are many things I wish to be true there is not much of anything I need to be true.

Apparently, then, you have reverted, and now disregarded where I showed that original study you posted was not without its flaws. If it is indeed true that you continue to believe that is the study which shows indefeasable proof that atheists are smarter. Which it does not.

 

You might not need what you say to be true except to be winning this tête-à-tête, but you surely do not want to lose it, either.

I never said the study was absolute proof. I don't think the study even says that. Most studies will have limiting factors. I never said I base my opinion on any study. I base my opinion on studies as well the fact that the smartest among us are atheists. If someone has evidence to the contrary I have no problem with it.

Now, just because atheists are smarter it doesn't follow that they are right. Maybe there is a god and he is the god of Christianity. That doesn't change the fact that there are some dumb Christians out there. It doesn't mean that those Christians are smarter than Nobel Prize winning scientists.

Look at it this way. The pool of scientists is very small. They are also pretty much all intelligent. The pool of all religious believers is huge and has a much larger percentage of morons. So maybe the smartest believers are as smart as the smartest scientists but the dumbest scientist is smarter than the dumbest believer. Factoring in atheists in general you would probably get a similar finding. There are a lot more dumb believers than dumb atheists. I remember reading how in the Congo the Pygmies were being hunted, killed and..eaten because it was believed that their flesh gave magical powers. This was only a few years ago and not in the distant past. Unfortunately for the intelligent believers, they have to stand and be counted with people like that. So yes, I believe that the average atheist is smarter than the average believer. If there is evidence to the contrary it won't hurt my feelings.

the fact that the smartest among us are atheists. If someone has evidence to the contrary I have no problem with it.

There is no such fact. 

The Nobel Prize is an annual, international prize first awarded in 1901 for achievements in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, and Peace. An associated prize in Economics has been awarded since 1969.^[3] Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals.^[4]

According to 100 Years of Nobel Prize (2005), a review of Nobel prizes awarded between 1901 and 2000, 65.4% of Nobel Prize Laureates, have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference (423 prizes).^[5] Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.^[6]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates}

^{Let it further be noted that he who makes the assertion is duly responsible for providing the proof, yet, in this case, it wasn't all that hard for me to do this one for you, and today, it is my gift.} 

The rest of your theory is just too chock full of assertions without proof, that I am forced to enjoy it as fiction.

 

GSD admin you lost me at DNA rotting. DNA does not rot that way as you say. DNA has a half-life of approximately 521 years, meaning that it would be broken down so much as to be useless after about 1 million years.
To you Born again means nothing and to millions of people it means all. Faith is not based on want or do not want only.
LOL I am OK with  the fact that have different  your perception of the world. I really do not care . Faith is personal thing and what you think or have faith in is non of my business I, since you asked,  am just shearing my thoughts. I am not blowing smoke up your ass so please stop to blow smoke up mine. The DNA burp you put up here basically illustrates that you have no clue what you are saying. But I want to apologize. For second you had me convinced that since you asked of Christians those questions as you have that you would like to have answer to them from Christian pespective . But obviously I was wrong. Sorry for my mistake. Carry on:).

That is pretty great answer beetree.