Can someone explain me what this master trainer and master decoy are doing ?? - Page 17

It depends - if you are here to follow Hans around and harass him because of a dog he sold you, well I would consider that against the TOS. If you are here to let everyone know what happened with you and Hans - start a thread dealing with that issue. Nothing has been resolved at this point. I have heard it 100 times that a member isn't a banned or multiple only to prove yes they are. I was willing to move on until you basically said we are like an Eastern Bloc country and then to accuse me of having a bias to come to Hans rescue is beyond ridicules, then throw in how I outed your personal information and I hope you can see you are really digging yourself a hole. Funny in the past Hans has accused me on being unfairly biased against him. If you ask him he will probably tell you I can be a jerk. lol, probably most of the people here will tell you that much. Ask Beetree. So, want to accuse me of anything else or do you want to cut down how the site is ran any further?

@troubleinx, did Prager say it was a test or did he say it was training? In fact, he has called it stress TRAINING. IMO, you only a test a dog, using stress and pressure, when you know what the outcome will be. Who wants to know what a dog will do naturally? We want to know what it will do once trained. Besides, how is a muzzle natural? This was not a natural situation but a fabricated one. So it was a test to see how a dog naturally responds to an unnatural, artificial scenario?

Would you give a child a calculus test when they only know addition and subtraction to see what they will naturally do? You test to see the effectiveness of training not to see the lack of training.

That is an after the fact scenario description. The stress is evident and original, and rephrasinging is going to be a hard sell. Unless you are selling puppies to newbies.

@admin, prove that I'm a former member. If I am who Prager claims then that tells you I'm not.

I never mentioned a dog he did or didn't sell me. Am I even talking about dogs or training? It might make sense if I paid for him to train my dog, and I had an issue with it, to the n criticize his training. But even Prager hasn't said he trained my dog.

I also know what you are trying to do. You keep mentioning how I brought up the whole Eastern Bloc issue. Why? If I was wrong then move on. What do you want me to do? Apologize for hurting your feelings?

Funny how Prager has accused in the past yet he is still here posting but you choose to threaten me. Clearly, you can move on. But not now. Interesting. As far as the hole I'm digging goes: who exactly is it being dug for? The truth?

The real question is why are you trying to bait me? If you think I'm going to insult this site, it isn't going to happen. And when I said have a good night I actually meant it. I don't believe what others say about you. You're doing a good job trying to keep people honest.

Beetree I am not asking for your approval on training advise. Why can a dog not be tested. green dogs are tested all the time. I think it actually gives a clearer picture of the capabilities. Surely this dog could have had more support in a training session, if that was the objective. Green dogs w/o foundation in bite work are tested all the time. If you know what you are looking at (not meaning you BEEtree but a decoy or handler) you will know what the dog will be capable of.

I am still confused about GSD Admin being accused of being bosom buddies. As a matter of fact even though I always respected
GSD Admin I have not always agreed with him or her( ? do not know which) .There was conflict between me and GSD Admin in past . If was not nasty but it was serious but respectful difference of opinions . A as matter of fact that conflict was one of many reasons I started my own forum. I have no clue who GSD Admin is and I would never ask them for noitsyou IP address. First of all I am not that stupid to think that they would give it to me and second of all I already have it on my own forum. I hope that clears this a little. notisyou.  You know really well that I know who you are. I have sold you a dog!!!!! REMEMBER? I know your name. I have your address and phone number and email in my  files and your IP is in my forum's files.You gave them all to me during the purchase of the dog.  However the IP is probably fake though.     Listen I do not care about you  I just want you to stop cyber stalking  me. 

A dog can be tested WITH PRESSURE and STRESS provided it has been trained to pass the test. Yes, puppies get tested but it isn't like what we see in the video. A lot of the testing of puppies can be done by simply observing how the behave in their environment. Just watch how they play and interact with one another.

@Prager, I'm all about clearing things up.

Because Hans doesn't use multiple IPs one to post with and one to browse with. It just doesn't look good from our end. Bait you? WTF, you call me biased, you whine that I released your personal info on an IP that is not tied to you. Then you have the nerve to say I am baiting you, lmao, if false accusations aren't baiting then nothing is because those accusations you knew would bring a response and that is baiting, sir.

Noitsnotyou. What experience to do speak from to say that green dogs without prior bite work can not be tested to see for natural reactions to stress. My last dog who is now a working dog with an agency would nail a strager who pressured him and that's w/o any prior training.