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giebel

by giebel on 29 March 2017 - 08:03

Hi Folks,

I know this is a hot topic and I have scoured the previous posts regarding this issue but it has still left me in a tail spin.
I will be getting a pup in July and want to do the right thing in regards to socialization versus parvo lepo risk. Lepo has been on the rise in Nor Cal recently. My last dog I didnt take out and about( unless it was to friends and families homes) until 12 weeks( after his second round of parvo, i also did puppy socialization groups). Looking back I feel as if it would have helped to take him out sooner. I have never been a dog park fan so thats not what Im looking for. What is your opinion about taking a puppy out in nature and trails, strip malls and places where there are people and few if any dogs. I feel that is essential for gsd's to interact with lots of people especially during imprinting stages (not just visitors to the homeor friends homes).

I appreciate every ones advice and recommendations.

So basically what I'm asking is....

When did you do your Parvo shot cycle and when and how did you take your puppies out and about?

Thanks again,
 


melba

by melba on 29 March 2017 - 12:03

I do vaccine for parvo at 6, 9 and 12 weeks. I take puppies out to places not commonly frequented by dogs starting at about 7 weeks. Just be smart about it and you will be fine. We do not vaccinate for laptops. Too many vaccine reactions and too little protection. It's not worth the risk.

Melissa

melba

by melba on 29 March 2017 - 12:03

Laptops ha ha ha. Nope, we don't vaccinate laptops, or for lepto.

Melissa

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 29 March 2017 - 15:03

Its 'acceptable risk' taking youngsters to exercise in areas where not many other dogs are present / use; but do be careful those areas are not plagued with much rat activity, especially if you are waiving the lepto innoculation protocol.


by Nans gsd on 29 March 2017 - 16:03

Age is the key, mostly if mama dog has good immunity puppies should have. My recommendation is go to Dr. Jean Dodds website and follow her protocol for shots and I do not use lepto anymore either. My current GSD boy has not had a vaccination since 13 weeks old except of course for rabies. Here is So. Cal and California in general rabies is good for 3 years after initial 4-6 month shot then one year after the first rabies vaccination; then every 3 years thereafter. Dr. Dodds also has info on rabies posted. My boy has been tested for immunity and at almost four years old is holding strong.  Every area has different problems;  what has worked for some may not be needed for other.  Dr. Dodds theory is do not over vaccinate.  Nan


by Swarnendu on 29 March 2017 - 19:03

Immunity received from mother's "first milk" is ALMOST certain to destroy any vaccines given at 6 weeks, also weakening that natural immunity in the process. Even 13 weeks is a tad too early to be SURE that the vaccine has worked, though it worked for Nan.

My puppies get their core vaccines (DHPP) at 8 weeks (because mom's cholostrum MIGHT have stopped working by then), 12 weeks (because mom's cholostrum MIGHT NOT have stopped working @8, so have destroyed the vaccines​), 16 weeks (because mom's cholostrum PROBABLY has destroyed the second set also) and then NEVER (because the last one was CERTAINLY beyond mom's protection). I'd delay the rabies as much as possible, and resist repeat rabies as much as legally possible​.

As for bonding, familiarisation & confidence building, use the first 1-2 weeks exclusively for bonding with the pup, then upto 12 weeks get out of your premises to familiarise the pup with as wide variety of objects and scents and sounds as humanely possible, keeping in mind to try to avoid places where other dogs frequent and thus spread viruses, and everything is safe and fun, not dangerous or disgusting, in both yours AND pup's opinion. The same process continues from 13 weeks onwards, but remember that the pup has suddenly entered a lifestage when it looks up to you for protection, and shouldn't be introduced to anything​ or anyone too unfamiliar. You have already experienced that with the dog whom you had started too late at 12 weeks.

Note that I didn't mention socialisation with strangers, because if you have successfully chosen a CONFIDENT & CURIOUS pup, who is also not genetically deficient, socialisation with strangers, if you wish so, can start after this confidence building session.

Start puppy class from 18 weeks onwards, after at least two weeks after the 16th week's vaccination.


by Nans gsd on 29 March 2017 - 22:03

PS: Just so understood; I do a titer on my boy and at almost 4 years (June 4th) except for rabies he may not receive any booster shots for parvo/lepto/distemper again in his lifetime. I learned the very hard way not to over vaccinate.

However, I feel the minute you get your hands on your new puppy is when his training begins in your home. Start with him walking into your front door. Have your plan in place prior to his/her arrival and begin immediately. Puppy training in your home with kindergarten stuff appropriate for his age. He will learn immediately his life is about family, his training and when he is old enough to begin kindergarten class, find yourself a good trainer and continue his age appropriate training. Nothing like hands on training. Some don't arrive until 12 or so weeks so be prepared. Lots of great education for yourself on how to train and be sure all family members are trained with your new program and all handle appropriately so not to confuse puppy and have him have to relearn how to sit, down, come, stay due to lack of knowledge. Great luck with him/her. NAn

Spooks

by Spooks on 31 March 2017 - 08:03

Taken from a UK group I run on FB

A lot of vets aren’t happy giving vaccinations at 8 and 10 weeks, they feel this is too early & is possibly another cause of a vaccines failure to protect dogs contracting parvo, as the pup will still probably be protected by maternal antibodies, which will over-ride any vaccination. This is now why a lot of vets are advocating a 3rd parvo only vaccination at 16-17 weeks old and is strongly advised.
A vaccine is made up of one or more disease antigens that, when injected into a dog's body, causes his immune system to produce specialised proteins known as immunoglobulins or antibodies. Antibodies fight infection & disease and & neutralize the antigens by binding to them
Reasons why vaccinations fail are termed as ‘Immunocompetence’ & may be compromised by a variety of factors if:
The dog is vaccinated too early while still being protected by maternal antibodies.
There is something wrong with the dog's diet & the dog is in poor condition.
The dog is unwell when vaccinated and the immune system is fighting this rather than working on the vaccination.
The dog's immune system is incompetent [not working properly] could be from birth and inherited.
The dog is exposed to a virus before or immediately after vaccination.
The dog is taking immune suppressant drugs such as steroids.
The vet administers the vaccine inappropriately.
The dog is incubating disease at the time of vaccination Immunocompetence may be "compromised" means that the immune system may not be functioning properly, in which case the animal will be unable to mount a defence against the vaccine challenge.

melba

by melba on 31 March 2017 - 17:03

I might add, that not all vaccines protect against the newer strain of parvo. Only one manufacturer I've found that does, and that is Intervet. It is also supposed to be able to override maternal antibodies earlier.

Melissa

by Swarnendu on 31 March 2017 - 20:03

As far as I can remember to have read, the NEWEST strain of Parvovirus is more than 30 years old.





 


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