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by vk4gsd on 27 January 2014 - 03:01

trying to build confidence in my decoy to put up some opposition to my dog, not as easy for those that have never been on that end of the leash. any decoy training clips/links?

this is what it looks like, not pretty.


Maxleia

by Maxleia on 27 January 2014 - 10:01

http://www.lulu.com/shop/girard-bradshaw/controlled-aggression/paperback/product-3477690.html

I've heard good things about this.

by neuen Polizei on 27 January 2014 - 17:01

Personally, it'd give me more confidence working a dog with proper gear. That leash looks to be a rope tied to the harness... not really trustworthy IMO. Outside of that, some people are just naturals while others have to work to get a smooth and fluid movement. The best thing he can do is watch as many videos or other decoys as possible and get out there and work the dogs. Hopefully in time he'll loosen up and relax a bit. Again though, he needs to trust not only himself, but that your handling ability and the gear will keep him safe.

Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 27 January 2014 - 17:01

You know what the fastest way for a helper to lose confidence is? YOU keep moving...stop that. There is an expression that says "make like a tree", that means stand there and dont move, unless I tell you. I need to know where the end of the leash is, ALWAYS. I dont like guessing how much leash you have left or if you are holding 3 feet and will drop another 9 when I am working your dog civil.
Put your back against a tree, wall, whatever and keep it there while giving the dog the entire leash...let ME decide if I want to walk into any slack.

GSDfan

by GSDfan on 27 January 2014 - 17:01

Where are you located?  PSA clubs often offer decoy camps or developmental training.

GSDfan

by GSDfan on 27 January 2014 - 17:01

Here's one my club is having in NJ
http://psak9.org/rsvpmaker/psa-developmental-decoy-camp-bushido-k9-new-jersey/

by vk4gsd on 28 January 2014 - 06:01

thanks for tips guys, will prolly buy the bradshaw book and fan check my 20, i am in rural oz so am excluded from all the good seminar stuff - i am jealous, hope you have a good one, post vids.

cheers

susie

by susie on 28 January 2014 - 09:01

That´s definetely not easy ... make your "helper" watch as many youtube videos as possible.
To become a good helper you need years of experience with a lot of dogs under your belt.
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but given the circumstances I still like your dog.

ronin

by ronin on 30 January 2014 - 20:01

The "make like a tree" or "be like a post" phrase is based on two important principles.

Safety; the helper always know's where the dog is and where its limits lie through the length of the line, if the helper mis times an element, stumbles or the dog gets lucky there is a "safety net" in place established through the fixed distance of the line.

The second principle is the Helper works the dog not you, the helper will work the dog with the line tense and with the line soft or not under tension depending on what he is trying to achieve, mark behaviour, apply stress or release the pressure through prey drive or bite reward.

The helpers in dog training are second only to the breeders in importance, as a handler you don't have much of a role in comparision. My own Helper and I, in order to develop our skills flew to Germany and spent 5 days training, he was being coached as helper, I was making notes and not being under the same pressures of learning new skills whilst dogs are in full flight I had more of an objective perspective. During the evenings we drank plenty of beers and debriefed the good and the bad; this was the beginning of a long road. I'm lucky, my Helper is on his 2nd SWAT K9 dog and we have managed to established sincere contacts in Germany.
You might have to think about finding some coaching within a sensible distance.
Dog training is all about time and money, with a lot of hard work and even more luck.

all the best

Ronin

by vk4gsd on 31 January 2014 - 06:01

good info thanks, BTW the moving thing was not planned, i moved cos the decoy forgot the brief and i needed to direct him, the rag on the ground was the mark where the bite was to occurr and i wanted to position myself so the camera was not viewing my back. whole plan went to shit...oh well.

 





 


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