Breeding without Hip Certificiation - Page 1

Pedigree Database

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 27 December 2006 - 16:12

You would think that with the huge concern over HD that breeders with any knowledge at all would NEVER breed without both the Sire and Dam having their hips certified as acceptable. Yet this is still occuring. Just having "prelims" is not acceptable. We all know of cases where prelims looked good but at 2 years of age it changed and hips failed. And vice versa the prelims looked questionable but at two the OFA was good. Bottom line you should never breed until your GSD is over two and has certification papers.

harley

by harley on 27 December 2006 - 17:12

i agree, but why is it allowed in Germany,to have hips certified or A stamped at 12 months of age??

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

Not sure. But maybe some others will jump in. Bottom line you should not breed before female is mature enough; she is not mature either physcially or mentally at 12 months. Hips are not closed until almost two which is when OFA will certify. But with all the concern with HD why take a chance? Most serious dog people will not buy a pup without the parents hip certificiation.

by hodie on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

DesertRanger, The bottom line is that most people are not "serious dog people" could give a damn or even know if a dog SHOULD have clear hips and elbows. And there are plenty of breeders who will breed regardless, just to make a buck. The SV allows hip certs at 1 year of age because their statistics DO, in fact, favor a valid result at that age. Recently, even OFA has done some small studies showing that as early as 4 months old, MANY GSDS can be x-rayed and the results be consistent with the rating they will achieve when they are much older, including two years old as is their age standard. There are, of course, exceptions where hips look ok and are not later, but these instances appear to be VERY rare. Certainly, in my experience, it is extremely uncommon. Also, it is often common for hips to look problematical at a young age and then show that same problem later. But it is extremely rare that a hip x-ray, taken correctly, would show bad hips which later improved with age. I suspect that in time OFA will also certify hips at a younger age.

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

i agree hodie and although we may get alot of arguments on exceptions. But overall you are exactly right. agree also on most people are not serious dog people but but i understood this before my post. It is just a disappoint to see people do this. I have seen 6 month olds with severe HD and it is tough to see them in pain. I don't think you should be breeding at this age though.

by hodie on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

DEsert Ranger, You are absolutely correct that breeding should not be done at an early age, nor should puppies be jumping through agility hoops at a very young age, nor should breeders who are advertising here say their pups will be good for everything. I just looked at one ad web site and they have prelims only on their dogs hips, but they are breeding them. Then they also go on to say how people should REQUIRE proof of hip certification. Ludicrous. PRELIMS are NOT acceptable under the current scheme of OFA. But when it is about making money off a litter, they could care less. Their dogs have nothing, yet they breed them......but people buy, so they will continue breeding and breeding.

by jbrown on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

I know a person that breeds german shepherds that even has a website that breeds her dogs knowing they have bad hips or elbows or both and still people buy these pups. I've tried talking to her and even helping by givening her a very nice male that she turned around and bred to these bad hip dogs.

by Jenijenjen on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

I copied & paste this from my post on the other thread. I don’t see anything wrong with breeding dogs with prelim xrays. DR I would think you knew that In Germany they give HD evaluations at one year of age. OFA says wait until two years. Who knows when the best time is correct to xray? I would even say that any dog that develops HD AFTER one year of age was (only after a prelim xray that showed good hips) probably injured at one point and would most likely show signs of unilateral HD (left or right) with that being said I would not consider it to be genetic HD, I would see it as environmental causes. Jen

by hodie on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

Jbrown, IF you know this person breeds her dogs who have bad hips/elbows, why on earth would you give her a male to breed with too? If you are reputable and you have tried talking sense and she does not get it, why don't you run the other way?

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 27 December 2006 - 18:12

I have said this before but I have an outstanding working line female that most males have nothing on her. I have had several working line people want to bred to her. I have never and likely will never breed her because I am afraid of her pups falling into the hands of people like this. She is now almost seven.





 


Contact information  Disclaimer  Privacy Statement  Copyright Information  Terms of Service  Cookie policy  ↑ Back to top