Pros and Cons of this dog: Honest Opinions - Page 1

What are the views of this dog ( older style WGWL )  pros and cons.  Give explanations fo your views as well.

 

 

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What is it you want others to comment on. All that anyone will be able to do is comment on the pedigree.

One can't say hardly anything about the conformation as the you can't see it the dog is laying down.

Now if you do not own this dog or have the owners permission to have the world critic him I don't think it would be fair or nice.

What do you think.

People do not enter their dogs pictures and pedigrees here to have the world pick them apart and many times people get quite vicious.

Very hurtful to the owner.    How would you feel if it was your dog.

I'm sure the question was asked based on the fact the owner is advertising frozen sperm from this dog for sale on this site.

I was not referring to the conformation. I mean based on the pedigree and what do the lines bring based on how far they are down the pedigree. ex: on another forum I read that Gildo brings  hardness to his progeny. There is no intention to nit pick at any dog or embarass any owner.

Maybe you should have specified the pedigree, instead of leaving things wide open for someone to pick apart. 

Hah! I guessed right!  Knew he had DDR lines close up in the pedigree the minute I saw his head!

BTW, with a birthdate of 2002, this dog is either deceased, or already 13 years old.

There are some good lines there: lots of Busecker Schloss and von Bungalow, plus well-known DDR lines, and even a couple of Kirschental dogs.

However, as I've often heard, breeders don't breed 'pedigrees', they breed DOGS. The most important thing to find out is about the dog itself and what he brings to the table. You can likely find that out from talking to the person selling the semen.

I would say his pedigree shows good potential to produce an excellent working line litter, though.

From what I understand  the dog has passed away. I was told  that the dog was custom bred ( in Germany )  as a personal protection dog for the gf of a very wealthy businessman. I understand that the dog  had a very good temperament for the job, and he had very strong hunt drive. Any further thoughts based on the pedigree? SS what does having Bungalow, Krischental, and Busecker Schloss, and Korbelbach mean?

Mithuna they are all well-known German kennels that appear numerous times in the pedigree of the dog you're asking about. (Select 'long pedigree' from the menu on the left of your screen to see them.)

Alfred Hahn owned Busecker Schloss kennels.He bred well-balanced dogs, and unlike many other breeders, gave very careful attention to the females he used for breeding. He was particularly fond of Bernd von Lierberg, as a sire, and helped Bernd to become a pillar of the working line dogs. You will have a hard time finding a modern WL dog without Bernd (or sometimes his litter brother, Bodo) somewhere in the pedigree.

Karl Fuller, who passed away several years ago, owned Kirschental kennels. He had an excellent reputation as a breeder, and his dogs often did well at the Sieger show. He also did herding with his dogs. When his widow downsized the kennel after his death, and eventually sold all of the dogs, many, many people were eager to buy them, as the kennel had such a good reputation. Because he herded with his dogs, they had better working ability than many of today's show lines.

I don't know very much about the other two kennels, just that they are well known for producing good working dogs.

There are also a lot of D.D.R. dogs in that pedigree As you probably know, when the border was closed between East Germany (DDR)  and West Germany many people were anxious to escape to the west. The DDR started their own registry, and bred German Shepherd to patrol and protect the border. These dogs were bred for work, and had to survive tough conditions. When Germany once again became one country in the '80s, these dogs once again became part of the SV registry. Many people like these lines, and you will see them in many German working line pedigrees as well as in the pedigrees of many Czech dogs. The reason people like these lines is they have been bred for work, and not sport, so the temperaments are often better balanced.

Out of curiosity - What´s the meaning of "custom bred" ( in Germany )...
Neither the name nor the kennel name of this dog is German.
I don´t find any offspring of this dog ?!?

Susie, my take on the term would be the sire and dam were selected for the purpose of producing a pup that would make a suitable protection dog for this wealthy man and his girlfriend.

I would assume the dog was also carefully trained just for this specific job. It's obvious his owners weren't interested in breeding or titling him. I wonder why they bothered collecting his semen? Maybe the breeder was the one responsible for that?